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Sep 6, 2019 9:50 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Great to see more of Tohru bonding with the main cast including Kyou. She isn't feeilng too well this episode but luckly, she's got new friends to help her. As usual, she is hopeful for herself and never drops her smile.

Oh God, Kagura is also back which means more weird drama around the house lol
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Sep 6, 2019 10:27 AM
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Tohru being ill and Kyou making warm food for her, that was nice of him.
Kagura can be scary at times.

That ending... Kyou's Shisho.

Sep 6, 2019 10:48 AM
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Curious to see what happened in the past with Kyo and Kagura, but it feels like we have to wait on that. Gonna get the "who is this Shisho guy?" answer first.
*Mourning the disappointment of The Promised Neverland season 2.*
Sep 6, 2019 10:57 AM
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So they translate Shisho to Shisho? Just According to Keikaku.
Sep 6, 2019 11:11 AM
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A good episode, but I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t do the whole thing about the soup being made with leeks like in the 01 version, I always felt that the fact it was leeks showed that Kyo was willing to put up with something he really hates for Tohru, but I guess I understand that they needed to fit the whole soup scenario into the first half of the episode to be able to fit more in and stick to the manga.
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bethxxx said:
A good episode, but I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t show that it was a leek soup, I always felt that the fact it was leeks showed that Kyo was willing to put up with something he really hates for Tohru, but I guess I understand that they needed to cut it down to fit the whole soup scenario into the first half of the episode to be able to fit more in.


It wasn't 'leek soup' in the manga. That was something added by the '01 anime (mostly for comedy, what with Kyo wearing a gas mask and stealing leeks from Yuki's garden etc.) It's a more down to earth scene.
Sep 6, 2019 11:43 AM
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I loved this episode! The Kyo and Tohru moments were wonderful. Also I think this is probably the episode we’ve seen the most zodiac, seven appeared this episode. The whining puppy sounds when Shigure came in Tohru’s room after Hatori said he did a bad job giving him a shot on purpose cracked me up! So did Momiji & Shigure’s little lines from outside the room when they were kicked out.

Shishou is here!!!! & he looks way better than he did in the ‘01 anime! The title for next week may have made me a little teary eyed already... I can’t wait!
Sep 6, 2019 11:46 AM
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Sweet first half with Kyo chipping in to help Honda-san heal and then the other Zodiac Members all paying a visit consequently. Some really touching Honda-san monologues there too, she really is too sweet. Lol @ Saki-chan failing just to go through the 'easier' make-up tests, she's just been fab throughout!

Kagura is back meaning some more havoc, can't blame Shigure-san for kicking them out of the house albeit politely. Interesting little hint from her side, I imagine, but it's nice to see the much more 'normal' side of hers for the most bit and of course with some essential restraint xD. Seems like we're slowly heading into an eventful Kyo arc and those final moments with the Shishio pretty much confirms it I reckon. Can't wait to see how that goes, hopefully Honda-san will be able to accept it indeed.

Just two more episodes to go, time sure flies! Hopefully, we'll be getting news of the 2nd (and 3rd) Seasons very soon!
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I just wanted a time travel machine to skip everything through next Friday

FEELS INCOMING
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thebond_thecurse said:
bethxxx said:
A good episode, but I’m kinda disappointed they didn’t show that it was a leek soup, I always felt that the fact it was leeks showed that Kyo was willing to put up with something he really hates for Tohru, but I guess I understand that they needed to cut it down to fit the whole soup scenario into the first half of the episode to be able to fit more in.


It wasn't 'leek soup' in the manga. That was something added by the '01 anime (mostly for comedy, what with Kyo wearing a gas mask and stealing leeks from Yuki's garden etc.) It's a more down to earth scene.

Ah ok, I watched the 01 version a while back but never read the manga so I guess I just assumed the leek thing was in the manga too, I’ve edited my comment accordingly, thanks for letting me know.
Sep 6, 2019 12:57 PM

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This episode was fun and simple. Seems like Kyo has a good soft side. I always want to wonder why Kagura is so obsessed with him. Hopefully we get an answer to that very soon. Aside from that Kyo seems to be hiding something that Kagura mentioned. Though it was hinted at many episodes ago. Though I was spoiled about it eventually a long time ago, be reminded of it in a title and thumbnail which is even more ridiculous. But I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Chapters 30 and 31 were adapted for this episode, being the equivalent of episode 19 and the first half of episode 24 in the 2001 anime. Little was changed up in this episode beyond some slight changes for the anime to smoothly transition between adapting the events of the respective chapters. Here were the changes I took notice of in this episode:

-The students are in winter uniforms in the manga instead of summer uniforms.
-When reading Tohru’s temperature in the manga, Shigure was using a regular thermometer instead of a digital one.
-While reflecting on getting her fever in the manga, Tohru was still buttoning up her pajamas instead of holding onto the cap she is in possession of. She also had her hair tied in twintails in the manga.
-Shigure, Yuki, and Kyo are wearing different clothes in the manga due to the season differences. Shigure is wearing two layers of robes, Yuki a longer-sleeved variant of his Chinese style clothing, and Kyo has a longer-sleeved shirt he’s wearing.
-While Shigure and Hatori are talking during Tohru’s monologue, Hatori is shown smoking a cigarette in the manga.
-The talk between Tohru and Yuki regarding her makeup test result was added for the anime to transition into Chapter 31’s events. The small scene that included Saki commenting that the makeup exams were easier than the regular ones was added in as a flashback scene instead of taking place at a later time toward the end of Chapter 30’s events.
-Throughout the exchange where Shigure is trying to talk Kagura into leaving his house with Kyo in toll, Kyo was not repeatedly voicing his refusal to leave with her in the manga.
-Kagura charging through the door to Shigure’s house with Kyo in toll was added for the anime.
-Some of Tohru’s conversation with Yuki and Shigure was removed from the anime. This included Yuki telling Tohru not to worry about Kyo and Kagura being together, and Shigure hoping they stay out of his house for as long as possible.
-When Kagura recalled her time with Kyo as children, the two had spoken to one another in the flashback shown in the manga.
Sep 6, 2019 2:21 PM

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Tohru deserves to stay happy and healthy. Nice how everyone around her cares about her.
Kagura is so toxic, she might have good intentions somewhere but she comes off way too toxic for me to care about that.
Sep 6, 2019 2:22 PM

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Tohru was one big worrywart. Bless her, though. She got a bit too worked up after failing one exam and to top it all off, she got a fever. Kyo was really kind enough to cook her some soft food for her to eat and stayed with her while she ate it, trying his best to make a conversation with her. =)

The second half of the episode had the return of Kagura and her explosive personality. Thanks to the rain, Kyo is acting more pissed off than usual and he didn't hesitate to shout down at Kagura a few times, too. I know she's probably one the least liked character so far, but she did her best to cheer up Kyo, so she does deserve praise for trying. =3

The end of the episode had Shisho making his appearance and he does look better than he did in the 2001 version. Either way, I hope the anime-only viewers will enjoy what's to come for the last two episodes of the 1st season.
Sep 6, 2019 2:23 PM

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Gotta love it when the episode focus on Kyo and Tohru, this episode was so good and heartwarming throughout. Kyo definitely showed his best side this episode.

Speaking about Kyo, even Kagura returns for more havoc. Good on Shigure for kicking them both out XD The answer to Kagura's obsession with Kyo is something I have been curious about for a while now. Maybe we get the answer pretty quickly.. 2 Episodes left, this has gone by so fast.
Sep 6, 2019 2:51 PM

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Horray for Kyoru. It's too bad a certain unwanted someone's presence taints the latter half of the episode.


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Tohru deserves to stay happy and healthy. Nice how everyone around her cares about her.
Kagura is so toxic, she might have good intentions somewhere but she comes off way too toxic for me to care about that.


I HATE KAGURA. She's that type of clingy bitch character I absolutely DESPISE. She whines like a baby when he doesn't want to be with her, tries to guilt-trip him and demonize him in front of the public SO SHE CAN GET HER WAY LIKE A BRATTY THREE-YEAR-OLD. When this doesn't work, she uses violence. Her manipulative behavior is just disgusting.

F*ck her. >:( BITCH, HE DOESN'T WANT YOU. GET A CLUE.

I'm handing out "Souma Kagura SUCKS" signs today; anybody else want one? :p



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Horray for Kyoru. It's too bad a certain unwanted someone's presence taints the latter half of the episode.


BitterBones said:
Tohru deserves to stay happy and healthy. Nice how everyone around her cares about her.
Kagura is so toxic, she might have good intentions somewhere but she comes off way too toxic for me to care about that.


I HATE KAGURA. She's that type of clingy bitch character I absolutely DESPISE. She whines like a baby when he doesn't want to be with her, tries to guilt-trip him and demonize him in front of the public SO SHE CAN GET HER WAY LIKE A BRATTY THREE-YEAR-OLD. When this doesn't work, she uses violence. Her manipulative behavior is just disgusting.

F*ck her. >:( BITCH, HE DOESN'T WANT YOU. GET A CLUE.

I'm handing out "Souma Kagura SUCKS" signs today; anybody else want one? :p

Good rant, she really needs to grow up.
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I really loved this episode. The soup scene is one of my favorite moments in the manga! I'm sad there's only 2 more episodes. I wonder how long it will be until season 2.
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I don't hate Kagura like many people do, but I feel like this isn't actually her fault, I mean, Kyo is very explosive with his responses so you can't just put all the blame on Kagura. I bet there is something on Kyo's story that made him change, specially since she says that he was the one who started to distance himself from... something? who knows.

I'm wondering if we are going to get some kind of Akito cliffhanger that will lead us to a second season.
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Sep 6, 2019 3:41 PM

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And now we're getting to the last part before this season ends. It seems like Ayame's shop probably won't be something that occurs until next season, which makes sense I guess. It wasn't really an event that had much importance, and would probably work better in the next season anyways considering other characters who will appear and certain events as well.
Sep 6, 2019 3:48 PM

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Nice episode. Kyou and Tooru moments = <3. They didn't show Hatori smoking again. XD I'm sad they left out how ''grumpy'' Yuki gets when he gets up in the morning in some previous episode. It's a cute trait. Now that Kyou mentioned it I remembered they didn't show it. We meet Kazuma at the end, can't wait to see more of him in the next ep. LOL @ shishou being translated as shisho. XD Although Kyo calls him "Shishou" (meaning "Master"), Kazuma states that he doesn't want to make his students address him by such. Instead, most of his students call him "Shihan", (meaning "Teacher"). Anyway, can't wait for the next episode, it's 1 of my favourite moments in the manga. <3
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Sep 6, 2019 4:21 PM

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They spent an uncomfortable amount of time standing in the crosswalk. Kagura gets some more development and is less annoying which is nice. Weird that they didn't translate Shisho. Maybe there is a reason which will make sense next episode idk.
Sep 6, 2019 4:22 PM

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I don't necesarily hate Kagura like the edgy guy 3 posts above

I am not an "edgy guy"; I am an adult woman who gets angry at immature and selfish as f*ck characters.

you can't just put all the blame on Kagura.

YES, I CAN!!

Girl: Will you hold my hand?
Guy: NO! Don't wanna.
Correct response: Oh, I see. I will respect your wishes.

Why is THAT such an alien concept to Kagura? Cause she's immature and selfish and I can hate her if I want to. Hating irritating characters is PERFECTLY logical...especially when they are so damn unlikable in every way?

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Ugh, YES. xD
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Ah, a nice normal episode after a few weeks of boring ones!

Kyo this episode was so 😍 I'm kinda anxious about what this mystery is that he hasn't told Tohru though.... the Soma family secret are never good! Also who's this Shishou guy?
Sep 6, 2019 5:28 PM
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As an anime only viewer, I’m dying for next week’s episode, to find out who this new Shisho guy is, and why he was so surprised when he saw Kyo give Tohru a gentle smile as they were walking. But at the same time, I’m bummed because there’s only 2 episodes left this season!!
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they're really pushing the yuki/tooru ship in this new version huh

cant wait for the romance to kick in in 2nd season and see everyone's reactions

the pig girl is annoying as usual. her bullying tactics and those crocodile tears to bend kyo to her wills is seriously pissing me off. she won't take no for an answer and thinks just because she 'loves' kyo she gets to use that as an excuse to do whatever the fuck she wants. forcing your love onto someone isn't the way to go. and using physical pain and public humiliation to force someone to do something is the typical act of an abuser. fuck this girl.

HereticHunter said:
I don't necesarily hate Kagura like the edgy guy 3 posts above, but I feel like this isn't actually her fault, I mean, Kyo is very explosive with his responses so you can't just put all the blame on Kagura. I bet there is something on Kyo's story that made him change, specially since she says that he was the one who started to distance himself from... something? who knows.

I'm wondering if we are going to get some kind of Akito cliffhanger that will lead us to a second season.


maybe he wouldn't be so explosive if she wasn't so annoying. look at how he treats tooru and compare to how he treats kagura. he's like a cat, if ur nice to it, it'll be nice to u. if you cling to it without its permission, it'll scratch u and growl at u.
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Can't wait to see what the manga readers and 01 anime watchers call " The Kyo Arc." this episode seems like really good set up for that.
Sep 6, 2019 7:35 PM

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Great episode as always.

Was nice seeing everyone care for Tohru when she was sick. "To get better not for myself but to get better for someone else" :)

So when Kyo says Shishou at the end? Does he mean it in the literal sense of that person being his master or Shishou his name or something? xD
Guess I'll find out next week.

I'm also really curious about Kyo's full backstory from what was hinted this episode.
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I can totally understand why people hate Kagura, to be honest, she's not my favorite either. The way she gets angry and beats up Kyo was a very common trope in Anime a long time ago especially from the 90s to early - mid 2000s era, especially if it was geared towards a younger audience whether it be shoujo, shounen, etc. I'm over that trope and don't find any funny anymore but I do think they're trying to keep Kagura's original manga-self in the remake, regardless whether it is outdated or not.

I am more excited about seeing Kyo's master and his secret being finally revealed.
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Stop talking in the middle of the street folks! You've been standing there holding up the car for a minute! I'm surprised the crosswalk light even stayed green for that long.

Kyo immediately tenses up the moment he hears Kagura's voice.

Man, this is just sad. First Shigure booting Kyo out along with Kagura, and then Kagura guilt tripping Kyo in public.

Hello Mr. who looks like Kenshin Himura! I'm guessing he's a big brother? If he was Kyo's dad, I'm pretty sure Kyo would've called him as such.

EDIT: Ah, just looked up the word "shisho". Apparently it means teacher. I guess I might've heard it before in anime but never paid any attention to it. I certainly didn't read the word before in subtitles.

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So they translate Shisho to Shisho?


Yeah, I think just saying "teacher" would've been more clear.

Chiibi said:
I'm handing out "Souma Kagura SUCKS" signs today; anybody else want one? :p


raises hand

Chiibi said:

Girl: Will you hold my hand?
Guy: NO! Don't wanna.
Correct response: Oh, I see. I will respect your wishes.

Why is THAT such an alien concept to Kagura? Cause she's immature and selfish and I can hate her if I want to. Hating irritating characters is PERFECTLY logical...especially when they are so damn unlikable in every way?


I'll take a jab at it: she's in love with her idea of Kyo and is conflating that with the Kyo of the present that is right in front of her.
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It's hilarious how this Kagura has the same voice actress as Kagura from Gintama. I wonder if it was on purpose.
Sep 6, 2019 8:56 PM

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kyo is just the best character theres no other answer i'd take he's too good for this world he really is mf wanting me to cry
Sep 6, 2019 9:06 PM
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Kagura gives us hints as to what happened to Kyo and her role in his troubles
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HereticHunter said:
ttcchen said:
they're really pushing the yuki/tooru ship in this new version huh

cant wait for the romance to kick in in 2nd season and see everyone's reactions

the pig girl is annoying as usual. her bullying tactics and those crocodile tears to bend kyo to her wills is seriously pissing me off. she won't take no for an answer and thinks just because she 'loves' kyo she gets to use that as an excuse to do whatever the fuck she wants. forcing your love onto someone isn't the way to go. and using physical pain and public humiliation to force someone to do something is the typical act of an abuser. fuck this girl.



maybe he wouldn't be so explosive if she wasn't so annoying. look at how he treats tooru and compare to how he treats kagura. he's like a cat, if ur nice to it, it'll be nice to u. if you cling to it without its permission, it'll scratch u and growl at u.


He doesn't show that side to Tohru lately since he has changed thanks to her, but I do remember him being like that to her too at the beginning, although, not as explosive as Kagura. That still doesn't change the fact that he yelled at Kagura for no reason when they were on the super market. Afaik, she was asking something politely (I don't know if it was about him, Akito, or his master, it was probably the latter) and she didn't recieve a proper answer.

Kagura is not being annoying because she just simply wants to, there is clearly something off about Kyo, let's just put aside the comic relief (Which is probably the reason people hate her). Imagine having a childhood friend and after some time you get to finally see him again, but something happened and he's not the same kid you once knew, you try to approach him as usual but it goes wrong and the only thing that happens is that the distance between both grows further and further. (It has been stated by her that he's the one who's being distant lately) To me, this is more than just a generic romance trope of the girl that doesn't learn. I know it's way more than that.


Kyo has a lot of pend up anger and frustration towards Kagura and at the supermarket he finally exploded. It was the last straw.

"Which is probably the reason people hate her"
We made it pretty clear why we hate her. It's not the comic relief. It's her abusive, violent, and manipulative nature.

"you try to approach him as usual but it goes wrong and the only thing that happens is that the distance between both grows further and further."

It went wrong because kagura didn't just approach him the way a normal girl, like tooru, would. She beat him up every time she sees him, forces him to do everything she says, intrudes on his life, not taking no for an answer, and insisting that all her actions are justified because she 'loves' him, as if love makes everything ok no matter how bad ur actions are. No wonder kyo distanced himself from her more and more. We were shown their childhood where she was aggressive towards him already. Imagine being 'friends' with a long term bully/abuser. Who wouldn't want to distance themselves from that monster?

That's not a generic romance trope. There is no romance between kagura and kyo. Only one sided unrequited love from an insane psycho bitch.
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Well the Tohru at the beginning was really adorable xd

More of Kagura x Kyo huh, I like it

So Kyo's Shisho showed up.. Looked like trouble at first but doesn't seem to be from Kyo's perspective... Well let's see what they have in store

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It's everyone's turn to take care of Tohru this time around, after all she does deserve all the pampering. Can't believe she had to rewrite a subject, but I don't blame her she is very strained from all the things she does.

Love you Tohru!!!!
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Good episode though im really just eager to see the next one, still the moments between Tohru and kyo this week were really heartwarming nonetheless and I chuckled a few times this episode at some of the jokes they made, thats not something id normally comment on but I generally dislike the comedy in this series so that means alot this time even though now ive forgotten what I even chuckled at.

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Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit,

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Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me

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Kagura: Kyo, if you knew you'd cry...

Ugh if I knew I'd cry too.....
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Looks like Kyo's master is here and wonder what kyo's seceret is.
Sep 7, 2019 3:15 AM

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Probably this gonna be the last story of this season, hope they announce S2 soon enough cause that Season 1 tag is not there for no reason.
Sep 7, 2019 5:46 AM

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I feel like it's been a while since Tooru and Kyou shared a moment like this. It was really nice to see him preparing a hot meal for her, and listening to her worries like she usually hears his. Sure, he isn't as skilled as she is when it comes to cheering someone up, but he did manage to make her feel better in his own way.

It was nice to see everyone worried about Tooru too, she really isn't alone in the world. I especially liked to see Momiji working her shift, he was really sweet. Oh, and Kagura, and the supposedly funny aggressions are back. But even though I don't like her, I don't really dislike her, if this makes any sense. At least it seems that she really cares about Kyou. And I can't wait to learn more about that new guy.
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ttcchen said:
HereticHunter said:


He doesn't show that side to Tohru lately since he has changed thanks to her, but I do remember him being like that to her too at the beginning, although, not as explosive as Kagura. That still doesn't change the fact that he yelled at Kagura for no reason when they were on the super market. Afaik, she was asking something politely (I don't know if it was about him, Akito, or his master, it was probably the latter) and she didn't recieve a proper answer.

Kagura is not being annoying because she just simply wants to, there is clearly something off about Kyo, let's just put aside the comic relief (Which is probably the reason people hate her). Imagine having a childhood friend and after some time you get to finally see him again, but something happened and he's not the same kid you once knew, you try to approach him as usual but it goes wrong and the only thing that happens is that the distance between both grows further and further. (It has been stated by her that he's the one who's being distant lately) To me, this is more than just a generic romance trope of the girl that doesn't learn. I know it's way more than that.


Kyo has a lot of pend up anger and frustration towards Kagura and at the supermarket he finally exploded. It was the last straw.

"Which is probably the reason people hate her"
We made it pretty clear why we hate her. It's not the comic relief. It's her abusive, violent, and manipulative nature.

"you try to approach him as usual but it goes wrong and the only thing that happens is that the distance between both grows further and further."

It went wrong because kagura didn't just approach him the way a normal girl, like tooru, would. She beat him up every time she sees him, forces him to do everything she says, intrudes on his life, not taking no for an answer, and insisting that all her actions are justified because she 'loves' him, as if love makes everything ok no matter how bad ur actions are. No wonder kyo distanced himself from her more and more. We were shown their childhood where she was aggressive towards him already. Imagine being 'friends' with a long term bully/abuser. Who wouldn't want to distance themselves from that monster?

That's not a generic romance trope. There is no romance between kagura and kyo. Only one sided unrequited love from an insane psycho bitch.


Yeah, I'll take my leave from here. Not going to bother discussing this any further because I know none of you will get my point, specially that "Adult Woman".
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I can't stand Kagura and her childish acting and thats one of the things that bugs me the most. She's very annoying -_-

Tohru getting a cold is something we don't see everyday and having Kyo making rice poridge for her was priceless! He's a sweetheart when he wants to be <3

Nice episode :)

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HereticHunter said:
ttcchen said:

Kyo has a lot of pend up anger and frustration towards Kagura and at the supermarket he finally exploded. It was the last straw.

"Which is probably the reason people hate her"
We made it pretty clear why we hate her. It's not the comic relief. It's her abusive, violent, and manipulative nature.

"you try to approach him as usual but it goes wrong and the only thing that happens is that the distance between both grows further and further."

It went wrong because kagura didn't just approach him the way a normal girl, like tooru, would. She beat him up every time she sees him, forces him to do everything she says, intrudes on his life, not taking no for an answer, and insisting that all her actions are justified because she 'loves' him, as if love makes everything ok no matter how bad ur actions are. No wonder kyo distanced himself from her more and more. We were shown their childhood where she was aggressive towards him already. Imagine being 'friends' with a long term bully/abuser. Who wouldn't want to distance themselves from that monster?

That's not a generic romance trope. There is no romance between kagura and kyo. Only one sided unrequited love from an insane psycho bitch.


Yeah, I'll take my leave from here. Not going to bother discussing this any further because I know none of you will get my point, specially that "Adult Woman".


kyo is explosive with his responses but the difference is he is reacting to kagura's actions, it's clear kagura has been treating him like this for years, to the point that all the other sohmas know how she acts. at some point he got tired and i don't blame him.
the "comic relief" is nothing but abuse. kagura won't take no for an answer and if they are around people she takes advantage of that, she makes herself look like a victim so kyo feels obligated to do what she wants (be it shigure forcing kyo to go on a date with her for valentines because she started crying or just now people on the street judging kyo because she was crying on the floor). kyo is feeling social pressure because all strangers see is a young woman crying because of a boy.
this is without even mentioning the physical abuse, kagura is constantly attacking kyo for no reason, hitting him, punching him, etc. and everyone including her accepts it because she "loves him".
now they are childhood friends, and kagura was nice to kyo when few people were (since he's the cat), but that doesn't justify kagura's actions now. just because you've known someone for a long time doesn't give you the right to treat them this way. just because someone once accepted your friendship doesn't mean they have to accept it forever if you start treating them like shit.
and i know you have problems with kyo yelling at kagura in the supermarket "for no reason" (which is funny considering how much kagura yells at kyo for no reason), but what kagura asked was a sore spot for kyo and kagura knows it. kyo has only reacted to kagura like that once before, when she said something to tohru about his true form. and both times kagura physically attacked him after.
Sep 7, 2019 9:35 AM

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ElenaP said:
HereticHunter said:


Yeah, I'll take my leave from here. Not going to bother discussing this any further because I know none of you will get my point, specially that "Adult Woman".


kyo is explosive with his responses but the difference is he is reacting to kagura's actions, it's clear kagura has been treating him like this for years, to the point that all the other sohmas know how she acts. at some point he got tired and i don't blame him.
the "comic relief" is nothing but abuse. kagura won't take no for an answer and if they are around people she takes advantage of that, she makes herself look like a victim so kyo feels obligated to do what she wants (be it shigure forcing kyo to go on a date with her for valentines because she started crying or just now people on the street judging kyo because she was crying on the floor). kyo is feeling social pressure because all strangers see is a young woman crying because of a boy.
this is without even mentioning the physical abuse, kagura is constantly attacking kyo for no reason, hitting him, punching him, etc. and everyone including her accepts it because she "loves him".
now they are childhood friends, and kagura was nice to kyo when few people were (since he's the cat), but that doesn't justify kagura's actions now. just because you've known someone for a long time doesn't give you the right to treat them this way. just because someone once accepted your friendship doesn't mean they have to accept it forever if you start treating them like shit.
and i know you have problems with kyo yelling at kagura in the supermarket "for no reason" (which is funny considering how much kagura yells at kyo for no reason), but what kagura asked was a sore spot for kyo and kagura knows it. kyo has only reacted to kagura like that once before, when she said something to tohru about his true form. and both times kagura physically attacked him after.


Why are you answering me on an Alt account? You don't even have this anime added. Nice try.

Now, I'm just giving Kagura the benefit of the doubt (Like I did with that brat kid some episodes ago), and most of the times I take her actions as Comic Relief because its treated as such. I usually hate this Childhood friend that lever learns trope, but this one feels different to me (Most of the stories told by her sounds like Hyperbole). Judging by how this anime has been, Kagura is still redeemable on my book.
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HereticHunter said:
ElenaP said:


kyo is explosive with his responses but the difference is he is reacting to kagura's actions, it's clear kagura has been treating him like this for years, to the point that all the other sohmas know how she acts. at some point he got tired and i don't blame him.
the "comic relief" is nothing but abuse. kagura won't take no for an answer and if they are around people she takes advantage of that, she makes herself look like a victim so kyo feels obligated to do what she wants (be it shigure forcing kyo to go on a date with her for valentines because she started crying or just now people on the street judging kyo because she was crying on the floor). kyo is feeling social pressure because all strangers see is a young woman crying because of a boy.
this is without even mentioning the physical abuse, kagura is constantly attacking kyo for no reason, hitting him, punching him, etc. and everyone including her accepts it because she "loves him".
now they are childhood friends, and kagura was nice to kyo when few people were (since he's the cat), but that doesn't justify kagura's actions now. just because you've known someone for a long time doesn't give you the right to treat them this way. just because someone once accepted your friendship doesn't mean they have to accept it forever if you start treating them like shit.
and i know you have problems with kyo yelling at kagura in the supermarket "for no reason" (which is funny considering how much kagura yells at kyo for no reason), but what kagura asked was a sore spot for kyo and kagura knows it. kyo has only reacted to kagura like that once before, when she said something to tohru about his true form. and both times kagura physically attacked him after.


Why are you answering me on an Alt account? You don't even have this anime added. Nice try.

Now, I'm just giving Kagura the benefit of the doubt (Like I did with that brat kid some episodes ago), and most of the times I take her actions as Comic Relief because its treated as such. I usually hate this Childhood friend that lever learns trope, but this one feels different to me (Most of the stories told by her sounds like Hyperbole). Judging by how this anime has been, Kagura is still redeemable on my book.


i'm not answering from an alt account? i don't really use myanimelist that's why i don't have furuba added, i've only started reading the comments on each episode a few days ago i literally didn't know it was a thing.
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Another nice episode, fairly light compared to previous episodes.

First half is really nice, LOL @ Kyo making porridge. (he's such a Tsundere)

Second half... Kagura... the Yandere girl...

I wonder what you call a couple of Tsundere x Yandere... (even tho they're not a real couple)

Also, seems ppls here dislike Kagura, but I think she's not that bad, she does really care about Kyo because of past events. She would actually make a good Waifu if you were nice to her.


(and that Yuki x Tohru ship about them going on a Date together...)


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Why are you answering me on an Alt account? You don't even have this anime added. Nice try.


Hey, don't just randomly assume ppls are using Alt accounts, who even have Alt accounts here? LUL

Also, I am sure it's not an "Alt account" cause the join date is Sep 2018, which is last year.

And it doesn't mean shit if someone didn't have an anime list.

In fact, I didn't "restart" adding my anime list until recently (which I had never added cause I had too many titles to add, over 800 anime titles... that's not including prequel, sequels, ovas, and movies, which MyAnimeList counts as individual titles, which would bring it over 1000 titles)

Here's what I am slowly adding to here:

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Sep 7, 2019 1:12 PM

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Failing all the exams in order to go through the easier make-up ones... man, Saki is in another level of planning xD

Well, after last episode, I'm really glad we got a more lighthearted one this week. Though it's fair to say that this one also had its tense moments regarding Kyou and his "secret".
That said, I'm really REALLY interested in knowing more about him and his backstory I mean, he really seems to be dealing with a lot of pain or regret inside and the way he acts so mysteriously has me quite intrigued if I'm honest. Too bad I will have to wait for next season for his respective arc but well.
Sep 7, 2019 2:18 PM

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Another nice episode, fairly light compared to previous episodes.

First half is really nice, LOL @ Kyo making porridge. (he's such a Tsundere)

Second half... Kagura... the Yandere girl...

I wonder what you call a couple of Tsundere x Yandere... (even tho they're not a real couple)

Also, seems ppls here dislike Kagura, but I think she's not that bad, she does really care about Kyo because of past events. She would actually make a good Waifu if you were nice to her.


(and that Yuki x Tohru ship about them going on a Date together...)


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HereticHunter said:

Why are you answering me on an Alt account? You don't even have this anime added. Nice try.


Hey, don't just randomly assume ppls are using Alt accounts, who even have Alt accounts here? LUL

Also, I am sure it's not an "Alt account" cause the join date is Sep 2018, which is last year.

And it doesn't mean shit if someone didn't have an anime list.

In fact, I didn't "restart" adding my anime list until recently (which I had never added cause I had too many titles to add, over 800 anime titles... that's not including prequel, sequels, ovas, and movies, which MyAnimeList counts as individual titles, which would bring it over 1000 titles)

Here's what I am slowly adding to here:

Temp GoogleDoc: Anime


you would surprise how many losers uses an alt account to troll people or do bait forums, I know a friend who has been getting harassed by such accounts. If she's not one of them then I apologize, it just found it very suspicious.

Also, you didn't have to explain yourself too.
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EDIT: Ah, just looked up the word "shisho". Apparently it means teacher. I guess I might've heard it before in anime but never paid any attention to it. I certainly didn't read the word before in subtitles.

phantomfandom said:
So they translate Shisho to Shisho?


Yeah, I think just saying "teacher" would've been more clear.


I've seen it translated as "master" in other shows. Mostly related to a martial arts teacher.

I found this explanation:
師匠 = shishou, has a more literal meaning of teacher and is closer to the concept of one's master (the first character shi or sui means commander or governor). If a student has fully signed their life away to a master in the traditional martial arts sense then shishou is a more commonly used reference than just sensei although the latter is perfectly acceptable as an honorific to such a person.
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