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Feb 13, 2010 7:06 AM
#51
Nope. Been awhile :P. Hmpf, maybe I should've emphazised more on "your". Like: Bill is gonna fuckin' kick YOUR bloody "Butt". And yours as well :p. I guess you guys already know this one but why not, since it is so epic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3GhHLLE0ig&feature=related And I just say Final Flash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDggiKMiUFw&feature=related |
Feb 13, 2010 1:25 PM
#53
Hahaha, Bill ^^ *sits back and enjoys the show* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2MPwopXopc |
Feb 13, 2010 4:11 PM
#54
You call that pussy song a show? Then watch this uber epic video with a song which is even more epic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bebNkB5lNtc One of my favourite songs since years. |
Feb 13, 2010 8:26 PM
#55
Feb 14, 2010 12:42 AM
#56
Feb 14, 2010 2:43 PM
#57
Silent_Bob said: Nope. Been awhile :P. Hmpf, maybe I should've emphazised more on "your". Like: Bill is gonna fuckin' kick YOUR bloody "Butt". And yours as well :p. Well as DMD chose "Butt" for you then YOU are his "Butt" :P IceHunter said: i want some chesse *eats some chesse* I want a million $ *Waits for a million $ with arms wide open* *Nothing comes... starts crying* |
Feb 15, 2010 12:29 AM
#58
Kaysabb said: IceHunter said: i want some chesse *eats some chesse* I want a million $ *Waits for a million $ with arms wide open* *Nothing comes... starts crying* No million $? Life just isnt fair. *starts illegal businesses* |
Feb 15, 2010 1:00 AM
#59
Feb 16, 2010 5:28 AM
#60
Those nicks are for DMD and Takami :P For us 2, it's Kay and Silent Bob ;) Plus i prefer their style of living ;) (A) |
Feb 16, 2010 6:36 AM
#61
Feb 16, 2010 6:59 AM
#62
What :P ? |
Feb 16, 2010 7:16 AM
#63
What Sairentobobbu is trying to say is that Kesabbu should be Beavis :P |
Feb 16, 2010 7:42 AM
#64
Feb 16, 2010 1:03 PM
#65
I would like to be Vegeta please :) |
Feb 17, 2010 4:39 AM
#66
Feb 17, 2010 5:53 AM
#67
*Kaysabb whistling while writting in his death note that Butt will claw through his neck with his own fingernails Higurashi style* |
Feb 17, 2010 12:35 PM
#68
YAY, then I can be BOB and control the world mwhahahahhahaha P.S. The current Bob will die when "Kay" writes Butt in his death note XD P.S.2 As the New Bob (New L.. get it?) the DN rule wont apply to me :P yes, this rule neither: The current Bob will die when "Kay" writes Butt in his death note XD |
Feb 17, 2010 2:59 PM
#69
Feb 18, 2010 2:58 AM
#70
Loool Sending that dumb blonde on me... with my playboy skills... hehehehehehehehe. Thanks for that new weapon bob :P |
Feb 18, 2010 5:42 AM
#71
Feb 18, 2010 1:05 PM
#72
Lol, Misa cant rezist Kaysabb's Light cosplay :P I fear u're a goner Bob ^^ |
Feb 18, 2010 2:55 PM
#73
Feb 18, 2010 11:56 PM
#74
Haahaha, Kaysabb wears a Lucy costume? I know he loves her but lol maybe he could get the Light costume ON TOP of his Lucy one *hmm* |
Feb 19, 2010 1:15 AM
#75
I don't cosplay :P Specially not as Light (he is only a secondary fav for me)... I'd rather go for Archer or Vegeta :D Oh yeah i have Lucy :D She will easily get rid of Misa. You can keep her Bob :) Wait... i wear a Lucy costume????? Uuh... why? Can't i have a Lucy blow-up doll insteand :P ? |
Feb 19, 2010 5:45 AM
#76
Feb 19, 2010 7:09 AM
#77
:( |
Feb 19, 2010 7:27 AM
#78
Well first of all... i've been religious for 3 years now so don't expect me to know absolutly every single answer to every single question there can be about religion. Second of all... i love those kinda debates too :D Third... nevertheless there are some subjects (even though just a few :P) that even a priest can't win in a debate against me ;) For your "Why only ONE God? "... i dunno that's just the way it is. That is a subject that i haven't studied yet so i can't answer :( But for the "stuff that contradicts itself", i may be able to answer. What exactly do you consider as contradicting? Religion is WAYYYY too complicated to eplain it in a summary. You are gonna have to give me a precise subject that you wanna discuss :) |
Feb 19, 2010 9:06 AM
#79
I don't think you can be precise with a such thing as religion, can you? I mean, it's not like it's science, cause.. Different people, from different parts of the world understand the Bible(for example) differently.. And you believe in one universal god, huh? I think you should start your own religion, mate :) At least there won't be any conflicts/wars/"myreligionisbetterthanyours" and such.. |
Feb 19, 2010 9:41 AM
#80
Wooho, a debating pal xD. The thing with contradicting is this: You believe in an existince which transcends humans or anything "mortal". Then I always have this mind: If God does exist, why shouldn't any other "super natural" beings exist? May it be polytheism or other things such as aliens/demons etc., you never heared of him and can't prove whether he exists or not. Same goes for everything else. It just sounded to me like you are beliving in God but then again, you deny the existence of other divine beings (the multiple Gods), although God himself is a divine being. :) But I do get your point and can partilly understand what you mean (beliving not only in one religion but in God himself). But it is good to hear other people's thoughts/opinions, finding/seeing new aspects or so. :) |
Feb 19, 2010 9:47 AM
#81
Well, we actually do have a universal God, Grim :). It is said by all three main religions that they believe in the same God. But I just ask myself why God needs 3 different religions. To me, as an atheist (not exactly, because I still haven't abonded the thought that God actually exists - it is more like I doubt/question God ), the prophets were men who were ahead of their time. They created this religion stuff to make rules and improve society's life, making them more civilized. And because people used to be superstitious back then, it actually worked. Sounds very plausible to me. |
Silent_BobFeb 19, 2010 10:28 AM
Feb 19, 2010 10:24 AM
#82
Well, I don't think it has the same personallity.. God, Jehova, Allah, Divine, Universe, Great Spirit, He who cannot be named(erm..wait, that's voldemort! :x) Anyhow.. It was really up to the prophet/evangelist to decide the rules of the game.. |
Feb 19, 2010 10:49 AM
#83
Well, considering there are quite a lot of things which are mentioned in all three holy books you could assume that he is really the same God (like the angels, they all have the same names and even some stories are reappearing in the books, if I'm not mistaken). But then again, there are so many different beliefs. I would even say that it is much more logical to assume that we were made from aliens which are playing "God" and first created the dinos. But their evolution was limited, only being able to adept to different places. So they wiped them out and hit the reset button with new beings. Many of the new animals adopted many trademarks of the dinos and were able to evolve even more. Guess the homo sapiens were their "masterwork", being able to evolve to what we are now. Besides, this also contradicts with the "theory" that the world was created in 7 days. God created every day something new... but where are the dinos? Nothing mentioned about them, although they were here before us. We also have found solid evidence which cannot be denied, having found remains/bones of dinos. |
Feb 19, 2010 5:01 PM
#84
Well, we all know that theory of evolution isn't just a theory -_- I mean, you have evidence everywhere and you learn it in schools, and still - some(religious) guys I know laugh at me saying "Hahah, you really think I evolved from a monkey!?" That's what I really hate about religion.. |
Feb 20, 2010 2:38 AM
#85
1) Other supernatural beings do exist my friend :) Angels, Djinns for example. You know, when humans got created, the Arch-Angel Gabriel asked God "Will this new species be as bloodthirsty as the previous one?" Dunno what is the previous one but that is good to know :D 2) And i'd lke to disagree with the "never heard of him and can't prove that he exists". I did have some SERIOUS dreams and heard some disturbing stories from sources that have no reason what so ever to lie to me (actually they haven't ever ever lied to me once). But those stories are those types of stories that will get me called CRAYYZYYY :P. 3) As it is universaly acknowledge that not everyone is blessed with those proofs, then you must look elsewhere... like religion! If you guys want but can't see God, then study his religion closely. It is said that religion is the greatest thing on Earth, in that case try to comprehend it and if indeed it blows your mind... then here is your proof :) Not being disrespectful but all those asking for proof that the eyes can witness is just being a liar that wants to get off easy. Every knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to see God, and as there are no more prophets we can't witness their miracles either. You guys are looking for something that you know won't appear... that's why i say you guys are lying to your own selves. 4) And i deny other gods because every single GREAT religion said that there is only ONE God. Notice how nearly every single polytheist religion has been destroyed from top to bottom. For instance ancient greece. They had hundreds of gods right? The greeks built huge temples for each one of these gods right? And now every single one of these temples is in ruin now after earthquakes hit them all... intriguing. Another example is that all the monotheist prophets began their prophethood in polytheists town full of heathens at the climax of their... uh... heathenness :P And NOW, all monotheist religions are internationaly accepted as religions, but past polytheist religions are considered... well as the past and good tourists attractions. Now believe it or not but history prooves that the monotheist religion that worship the ONE AND ONLY God is always here and will never died, but all the other religions fade away little by little. :) _gRim_ said: I don't think you can be precise with a such thing as religion, can you? I mean, it's not like it's science, cause.. Different people, from different parts of the world understand the Bible(for example) differently.. And you believe in one universal god, huh? I think you should start your own religion, mate :) At least there won't be any conflicts/wars/"myreligionisbetterthanyours" and such.. You can have a precise subject of discussion but precise about religion as the whole... indeed quite impossible. All Holy Books are HARD! It is said that God is THE Greatest being ever, can a ignorant and barbaric specie like us fully comprehend it? Also impossible. Which is why religion also sais to not ask yourself too many questions because there is a good chance that you will start some blasphemy. Bob tried it, he asked himselves too many questions, and now he drifted off from religion. That's why when i ask myself questions and start to drift off into blasphemy, i stop all my thoughts and wait for the next priest/rabi/sheikh to show up :P. I guess religion is right about that ;) And for the "myreligionisbetterthanyours" i have 2 answers: 1) At the beginning of every religion, there were no sects, there only was THE religion. Humans drifted off again. For example, when Judaism arrived, it was only Judaism, now there are or 71 or 72 sects of Judaism. Same for Christianity, now there is 72 sects. Same for Islam, now there are 73 sects. There is no such thing as a better religion, there is THE real religion ( nowdays THE real sect) and fake/wrong religions. All you have to do is figure out which of the + 70 sects is THE right and original one (good luck for that :P). 2) I have a question for you guys :P. I just want you guys to give me YOUR logical explanation on this matter. Adam came, and said there will be another prophet/religion after me. Abraham came, and said there will be another prophet/religion after me. Same for Jacob, Noah, Joseph, Moses, ect... Then Jesus came, and said there will be another after me, and no more after him. Then Mohamad came, and said there will be NONE after me. What is your conclusion? |
Feb 20, 2010 3:10 AM
#86
Ok that post was my answer to the 2 last coms in page 4. Forgot there was a page 5 :P Silent_Bob said: It is said by all three main religions that they believe in the same God. But I just ask myself why God needs 3 different religions. To me, as an atheist (not exactly, because I still haven't abonded the thought that God actually exists - it is more like I doubt/question God ), the prophets were men who were ahead of their time. They created this religion stuff to make rules and improve society's life, making them more civilized. And because people used to be superstitious back then, it actually worked. Bob's "Why 3 different religion?": Answered by my last question is previous post :D Not ahead of their time, blessed with Divine Light is the correct term :) Even though they were superstitious, many haven't acknowledge the Prophet's miracles because they were so wicked (said so in all Books). And i was like you before entering religion. Not that i beliveed or that i didnt believe. I just didn't know yet because nothing actualy gripped me. _gRim_ said: Well, I don't think it has the same personallity.. God, Jehova, Allah, Divine, Universe, Great Spirit Anyhow.. It was really up to the prophet/evangelist to decide the rules of the game.. I don't even think that God has a personality :S And it is said that he possesses 100 names. And Prophets do all that they do with God's permission. Every miracle, plague, revival, whatever, is done after God acknowledged it. So no :P Silent_Bob said: Well, considering there are quite a lot of things which are mentioned in all three holy books you could assume that he is really the same God (like the angels, they all have the same names and even some stories are reappearing in the books, if I'm not mistaken). You are not :) But then again, there are so many different beliefs. I would even say that it is much more logical to assume that we were made from aliens which are playing "God" and first created the dinos. But their evolution was limited, only being able to adept to different places. I asked about Dinos also, but the one i asked didn't know the answer :( But i'm still searching about them :D. And i have a friend who said something very interesting. There are no such things as Aliens... only parrallel dimensional beings :) (remember what i said about what Arch-Angel Gabriel asked to God) Besides, this also contradicts with the "theory" that the world was created in 7 days. God created every day something new... but where are the dinos? Nothing mentioned about them, although they were here before us. We also have found solid evidence which cannot be denied, having found remains/bones of dinos. Like i said i also thought about that :D Yay to Bob :D And like i said, still searching for the answer :( _gRim_ said: Well, we all know that theory of evolution isn't just a theory -_- I mean, you have evidence everywhere and you learn it in schools, and still - some(religious) guys I know laugh at me saying "Hahah, you really think I evolved from a monkey!?" Evolution DOES exist. Religion never disapproved it. But the Darwin evolution is nonsense. Ok let's say we evolved from monkeys... where did our conscious (which is what God has given to us Humans) come from? And let's say our consciousness did evolve with our monkey ancestors, then why are humans/monkeys the only ones? Why aren't there any cheetas or hippos with consciousness? Soon some scientist will say that white people came from monkeys, black people from guorillas, asians from ourangoutangs 0_o No one and nothing can deny evolution, THAT'S A FACT, but there are many things that make the "Darwin evolution" impossible, too many things don't make any sense. Those who laugh at your face about the monkeys are right, but if any of them laugh at your face about evolution in general... in that case you can laugh at his face :) And add a nice "hahahaha" from me too :) |
removed-userFeb 20, 2010 3:24 AM
Feb 20, 2010 5:56 AM
#87
Phew, 2 large posts to go through :P. Kaysabb said: 1) Other supernatural beings do exist my friend :) Angels, Djinns for example. You know, when humans got created, the Arch-Angel Gabriel asked God "Will this new species be as bloodthirsty as the previous one?" Dunno what is the previous one but that is good to know :D I also think that there exist other beings next to humans (even aliens). I consider the parallel worlds to be true as well. But wouldn't that mean that God just made different races/"humankinds" for what reason? Did he want to have some sort of loyal servants? Why wiping out an entire race, if they are not to his liking, even though he shows mercy to everyone? He didn't even kill Lucifer but send him down to "Hell" and made a "deal" with him (It supposedly is written in the Koran and a religious friend of mine told me that some time ago). I think Gabriel meant the "Nephilim" or so. They were halfbreeds from human women and "Sons of God". Dunno if they are now angels or not but there used to be about 200 of these sons and the name of their leader was/is Shemichaza. The children which were given birth were called Nephilim. They were malicious giants, eating both animals and humans. But then again, humans were already existing at this point. But they are the only ones I can think of right now, which fit the description of being bloodthirsty. Kaysabb said: 3) As it is universaly acknowledge that not everyone is blessed with those proofs, then you must look elsewhere... like religion! If you guys want but can't see God, then study his religion closely. It is said that religion is the greatest thing on Earth, in that case try to comprehend it and if indeed it blows your mind... then here is your proof :) Not being disrespectful but all those asking for proof that the eyes can witness is just being a liar that wants to get off easy. Every knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to see God, and as there are no more prophets we can't witness their miracles either. You guys are looking for something that you know won't appear... that's why i say you guys are lying to your own selves. I don't think that I'm lying to myself :). I know that you can't see God and shouldn't try to create an appearance for him (though, the most typical appearance is the of an old man with a long white beard). I even don't need to see him to have me convinced. I'd say that it would be totally enough for me if I would hear his or an angels voice right now - not during sleeping/dreaming. Or even more simple. I'd like to ask him something to fall down from my cupboard/desk or so, although there is no tremor/earthquake or whatsoever. That woudl be absolutely enough for me if it would happen the next second I asked him this little favour. You can't know whether dreams are really true at all. I had some wicked shit dreams about demons and bad stuff (in this case, more Lucifer like things) but I'm no satanist or something close to it at all. The only thing I might do is question Gods intentions but at the same time there are a few things which just contradict with his existence or at least his doings. Kaysabb said: Which is why religion also sais to not ask yourself too many questions because there is a good chance that you will start some blasphemy. Bob tried it, he asked himselves too many questions, and now he drifted off from religion. That's why when i ask myself questions and start to drift off into blasphemy, i stop all my thoughts and wait for the next priest/rabi/sheikh to show up :P. I guess religion is right about that ;) Didn't God give us our own conscious? To think on our own? And this "do not ask any unnessecary questions" thing resembles more like a doctrin/dictatorship. Like "do not question me, or you will regret it". As I also said somewhere before, the Vatikan is hiding too many things, including their influence/power. You might call it conspiracy. As long as you don't meddle into the Church's affairs and do what they say, you'll be fine. Yeah, so you want to have some stupid but loyal servants which do not question your doings? Well, this might've sound a bit too harsh. You also said that we humans are ignorant and barbaric. I agree on that fully. But isn't the fact that you question thinks also proof of being/getting intelligent? Trying to be aware of certain things and not just ignore them? And if I wouldn't ask myself questions, wouldn't it be waste of the awareness/intelligence God gave us? Kaysabb said: Not ahead of their time, blessed with Divine Light is the correct term :) Even though they were superstitious, many haven't acknowledge the Prophet's miracles because they were so wicked (said so in all Books). Either that or these people had a problem with the increasing amount of retainer the prophets had. The prophets only wanted from their retainers to believe in God and pray, whereas the others wanted money or so to satisfy their "Gods". Because of that, those who believed in something else were struggling for their influence and power. So of course, they were chasing the prophets because if that would go on they would loose it all. (On a sidenote: Mohammad was once chased by such people and he ran into a cave still having the followers in his neck. When he entered the cave, a spider made a web to cover the entrance of this cave. When the followers arrived, they left the cave alone because of the web. If the web would've been there before and Mohammad ran into the cave, he would've destroyed the web and this woud tell the followers that he was inside the cave. And because of that, you shouldn't harm any spider because these little creatures saved Mohammad's life.) I can't imagine that only humans have a conscious. Animals are also aware of the things around them and once the surroudings/season changes, they move on. I really can't call this instincts (though, I do not deny instincts). Isn't it also prove if you see some animals licking their children's injuries? They are "aware" of the fact that it is hurt and try to ease his pain. But I think every animal has its limitations regarding evolution. And the homo sapien had more potential than others. This also would contradict the darwin evolution. Homo sapiens are defenitely not the strongest compared to other animals, such as lions/tigers/panthers etc. But homo sapiens turned out to be the most successfull in regards to evolution. You also can't deny the resemblence if you compare a monkey with a human. Since we walk on two legs, the monkeys "legs" (which are actually two more hands ^^) changed so that we can hold our balance. If you compare your hand with your feet, they are practically the same. The thumb is in the same place, the smallest finger is in the same place and even the way how you can move your toes and fingers is the same. I don't think you can deny the resemblence to the monkeys and I also think that animals are not solely acting on instincts but do posses some sort of concious. And taking this into consideration, it is very likely that we evolved directly from homo sapiens and were not created by God (at least not in an instant without seeing the potential of monkeys/homo sapiens). |
Silent_BobFeb 20, 2010 6:02 AM
Feb 20, 2010 6:15 AM
#88
Also an interesting side note. There is so much about Nephilim. You can either youtube it or google for it. They are even brought in connection to the Maya and Summerian and of course, 2012 where they world will face its end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfKrfB7vQgg One of the more interesting documentations :P. Also note that there is a Summerian artifact or picture or so, because it shows a solar system (big sun in the middle with several planets around it). "A fact not known to european scientists to around 300 years ago". Intruiging... and even more: They have Pluto on it as well, which was discoved first in 1930. And another planet called Nibiru which is the homeplanet of the Nephilim, "Celestial Giants". This is quite intruiging indeed. Might be as well for my love to stuff related to conspiracies or end of the world theories :). |
Feb 20, 2010 7:46 AM
#89
Bob said: I also think that there exist other beings next to humans (even aliens). ... blablabla...But they are the only ones I can think of right now, which fit the description of being bloodthirsty. Dunno about the loyal servants and wiping races out :P Wasn't there and right now im focusing more on us humans and this earth :P About that deal with Satan, well how else would we be tested? We need a Hell and demons that try to make us do sinful stuff, in order to proove ourselves and indeed show that we are worthy of Paradise. It's all part of the "plan". It's not being improvised. Never heard about Nephilims... yaaay i've learned something new :D study books here i come!!! Thanks for that knowledge :) :D Bob said: I don't think that I'm lying to myself :)...blabla... there are a few things which just contradict with his existence or at least his doings. So God, in all his power, is gonna make things fall off cupboards and stuff to everyone to proove his existence :P ??? I know what you mean i assure you, but don't you think that THE CREATOR OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE AND DIMENSIONS has better stuff to do? :P And again, many people were shown MIRACLES! and not falling stuff from cupboards and or they didn't believe, or they did but still refused to accept God and his religions. Plus what He wants is that we believe in Him in our hearts and not with our eyes. So let's say you get your proof. The very next second that passes, are you gonna stop drinking fucking stealing lying wasting time insulting and thousands and thousands of over sins that you do constantly everyday without noticing :P ? (even the most respected priest has at least 40 sins per day). See what i mean? Bob said:Didn't God give us our own conscious?...bla...wouldn't it be waste of the awareness/intelligence God gave us? Not really to think on our own, more like decide on our own. You get to decide if you wanna follow his laws or not. "The consciousness" debate is pretty long and complicated as it is OUR most important feature. Not saying i can't answer, i can (at least some stuff) but that is a discussion to be had on it's own. Not really "dont question u will regret it" more like "dont question TOO MUCH, some stuff cant be comprehended that easily". Forget about the Vatican, they drifted off a LOOOOOONG time ago. Seriously don't. They out for themselves only. Of course you should use your intelligence and consciousness. Science is from our intel and conscious, no one can say that science is useless. It's just that you must use it properly. You can't expect to get all answers on your own. You gotta learn and study, do research, ask help of people who finished most of their (religious) studies and such. That's using your head and being smart. Sitting on your ass and looking for everything yourself with your own brain is good and stuff but hey... if that's all you do then you'll just turn stupid. Intel comes with documentation you see ;) Bob's last 3 paragraphs: 1st paragraph: EXACTLY! Dunno about the spider. I know something like that happened, but dunno the full story so i will say EXTREMELY PLAUSIBLE :) About animals, yes they are aware but their lives are only about feeding, surviving, breeding and that's it. None of them are thinking about what they will do tomorrow, or going to meet someone or what should they build for comfort. We wake up and turn on our computer so we can discuss mangas, they wake up and hunt. Awareness and consciousness is totally different. About Homo-sapiens i can't say a thing. I need to look more into it. Because science sais that we use to be all hairy and walked crooked and looked like monkeys, and religion sais the earth was empty and then came Adam, father of all. Now i know religion is the right version on the matter (by faith), but as i don't know a thing about these homos (:P) nore scientificaly nor religiously... i can't say. And it is stated when you don't know you shut up. It's better than saying something wrong and then influence someone on false facts (that's how religion deteriorates). Side note: There is a HUUUUUGE secret when it comes to Mayas and Incas, that i'm 100% sure! I WANT TO GET TO THE BOTOM OF IT! that's the 1st thing i'll ask when i die (may i be up north or down south :P) Nothing will happen in 2012 (by nothing i mean no end of world, there might be strange occurances but no ending) And all off the past civilisations were smarter than us and knew more than us. Don't be bluffed by our satelittes and stuff, 95% of what all ancient civilisations did (whatever it was, construction, knowledge, ect...), we can't do ANY of those things nowdays. Us humans have reached the climax of our stupidity i'm afraid. |
Feb 20, 2010 8:33 AM
#90
Too much to read.. Anyhow, Kaysabb - about the monkey part - go to the museum.. You'll find fossils, missing links, whatever - from an actual APE to homo erectus-sapiens. How is that "fake"? And about the Bible being HARD cause god is super-intelligent, I have to say that god himself didn't write it.. And what about the Old Testament? How come we don't take it seriously today as we do for the new one? What about the part where it says that I can have a slave(not that I don't want to :P*japanese maid)? I don't think that bunch of guys(and there were a bunch of them, church just choose a few who were right) that lived couple of thousand years ago can make rules for me to obey.. Sorry, but I'm sure that "Why don't you believe in God?" is not the right question, not at all... |
Feb 20, 2010 8:54 AM
#91
The thing with Satan/Belzebub/Lucifer or how ever you wanna call him. Well, fallen angel woud describe it as best :P. But can you tell me what God would do if Lucifer wouldn't have fallen? No one except God himself could tell us.So, would we still have something like Hell? How would he try to judge us? No one except God himself could tell us. Lucifer has fallen exactly because of God's decision to give us freedom in what we are doing. It is impossible for everything/everyone not to commit one of the 9 sins. What else should God have to do anyway? Isn't he the omnipotent being who sees us all what we are doing now? Would it be wrong to recieve "little" help if I'm wavering? And of course I'm not going be some sort of saint once the second I'd ask God of such a favour and it really would happen. But then I would believe in his existence without "any" doubt. My current position is more like I do believe in God but not into a particular religion. But then again, there are things which oppose God's existence, which put me on the edge. Does he exist now or not? Surely, I'm not just basing things on my own thinking but (re)search stuff in the www :D. Documentations in TV included or that link I posted about the Nephilim. The only thing is that I rarely find someone to talk about. And if I might find someone, he is some sort of stupid jackass or ignorant fool. But can you really find out whether animals think or not? Every single animal needs to have at least a bit of intelligence. Same for the monkeys. They live in packs, eat, breed and cleaning themselves (:P). But we evolved from them. That is why I say that there is a limit to how far something can evolve. And so we can say that the homo sapien / Human has reached its climax. But there is another interesting aspect to the evolution. Actually, watching the link would explain it :D. And 2012... Well, maybe this beings (which came from Planet X or Nibiru) will return and something is gonna happen :D. How come you think we can't do what they have been able to do? More like... who taught them certain things? It is said that the evolution took thousands or even millions of years which progressed so slowly and then, at some point it all sped up drastically. If you watch that link they will tell you that these beings were involved with genetic engeenering and combined their genes with those of the homo erectus, which gave birth to homo sapiens - us. Since then, these old civilizations worshipped them as Gods. At some point, they came back to see how we did. And they felt attracted to the earth women and started to breed with them, causing the birth of "Nephilim". But since they were so destructive, the Annunaki (the dudes from Nibiru) eridcate them with the flood. (This actually stands written in the bible at the beginning of Moses and these stone tabletts from the Sumerian already had this written on them, way before any holy book). But this is another aspect, but intruiging indeed. In addition to my linke above, this one is cut short and maybe even more precise :). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6vHQbsrrEw&feature=related Currently I'm pretty much focused on this Nephilim/Sumerian/Annukai stuff xD. |
Feb 20, 2010 8:58 AM
#92
Oh Yeah. Here is what could actually happen in 2012. It makes a lot of sense and isn't anything "super natural" or so. Has to do with the Sun and its magnetic field. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hujQg2E_fDw&feature=related |
Feb 20, 2010 9:10 AM
#93
And heck I don't know why but whenever I watch something like that my right eye starts to get teary and a chill is sent down to my spines o_O. Really, whenever it has do with such things ^.^. But never happens with horror movies :D. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSmHWyWx-r4&feature=related Fake or not? Most people would say that - but who knows? Usually I would say wait and see but what if that would be real? Then I wouldn't like to wait for it ^.^. But OK. I'm drifting away from the main "topic", but I wouldn't say that is almost nothing to with it since there defenitely are parallels to the history of the Sumerians and of the 3 holy books. And wouldn't it be logical to assume that they copied the Sumerians history into the book of Genesis? |
Silent_BobFeb 20, 2010 9:31 AM
Feb 20, 2010 12:31 PM
#94
Oh so many things to say... :P To Grim 1st :) All the religion that we know of, their teachings have been through the teachings of the Prophets and the people who asked them important questions. I will say right now this topic i am not able to answer you. Haven't found or heard of any books on that matter :( Technically at their time, i don't think that they knew of all those said fossils under their feet. With no "evidence", no question is asked. That also has to do with what i told Bob about looking for religious evidence about dinosaurs. Sorry :(... But i swear i'm keeping my eye open @_@ Of course God didn't write it, all that is written is quoting the prophet at the sime. Those quotes were the words of God via Arch-Angel Gabriel or Revelation. Maybe because one is the original and the other a fake... I wonder which is which *Kaysabb thinking* It didn't say you can have a slave :P It was said how to act with them as we humans were enslaving people constantly in the past. You don't HAVE TO obey, it's your choice. That is one of the reasons for our conscious. That something only WE can do... and animals cant BOB Next up... Bob! |
Feb 20, 2010 12:33 PM
#95
Silent_Bob said: If God does exist, why shouldn't any other "super natural" beings exist? - who sais they dont? As for demons/evil spirits, there are ppl who can actually see spirits, poltergeists and such. I dont think we're the supreme race in the universe (as much as we like to think that) and that therefore there are no aliens/god/elements/super-natural beings. Brings to mind a quote from Shakespeare "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." An open mind helps also. Also, what would u like God to do? Smite down all non-belivers? Then there'd be only 5-10% of the current world population. Perform miracles, give us all a happy, wealthy life? Then where's the fun when u make these on your own? Punish us for not following the "correct" religion? Then how many ppl would be left here? Oh, and dont tell me u believe that religious **** (word erased as to not offend ppl) about living on the Earth for 90 years, sinning for about 89 and then paying up the debt in Hell for 900000000000000000000000000000000000000 years. This doesnt make sense to me. Being a believer in God and a religious person are 2 different things :P |
Feb 20, 2010 12:50 PM
#96
OMG, u guys sure wrote a lot above, my eyes are getting tired... cant.. read.. it.. all.. |
Feb 20, 2010 12:54 PM
#97
There is no such thing as "if Lucifer wouldn't have fallen". That's how God wanted it and that is what actualy happened. Saying "If he wouldn't have" means that it became a game of luck and then God isn't the Exalted One. That what was needed for Hell. That was the Hell that God wanted. Here :) i managed to tell you and i'm no God. Nothing to do with give us freedom. When we were created, God said that we were his BEST creation and then told all the Angels to bow. All but one did. That my dear friend is the source of the sin we call PRIDE. He thought that we were inferior to him and bowing was out of the question. As he disobeyed he asked God to give him his kingdom of Hell and that he would be able to turn us, His best creation, into sinful and despicable beings. That is the source of the famous quote of "Satan waits around the corner." ;) Because he wants us to fall, he is *somehow, who knows how* tempting us. Many pious people forget to mention this little explanation after yelling BEWARE OF SATAN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! Everybody recieves a little help once in a while, just not many people notice. Help can come around after a good deed (badluck is kept away and such), by making a new friend that changes stuff about you (to the good)... My entire life changed after one little story told by one kinda new friend. Call me a parano but i see it as help. I'm an angel now lol Let me know if you're searching for specific stuff, i'll look it up with my sources :D You still haven't answered my question... ok fine we evolved from monkeys, but where did our conscious come from? In that process of evolution, what made us turn from trees to high-tech superdupper websites spaceships with cell phones and stuff ? About that planet... a HUUUGE % of myth/legend are fakes, but they ALL have a very small root of truth in it. I haven't read anything about spaceships in religion as it was an unthinkable topic at the time, but i do hear that alot in ancient civilisations. Already heard about Atlantis before that vid (which was VERY interesting, i already came up with a hypothesis :D). Will post it in next post so that it seems like you had a little break :P |
Feb 20, 2010 1:09 PM
#98
Kaysabb said: It didn't say you can have a slave :P It was said how to act with them as we humans were enslaving people constantly in the past. You don't HAVE TO obey, it's your choice. That is one of the reasons for our conscious. That something only WE can do... and animals cant BOB It actually did, Kaysabb.. Here's what I mean. What the Old Testament says about slavery: Emancipation of Slaves: Slaves in ancient Israel were automatically emancipated after 6 years of slavery, but only if they were Jewish. However, if the slave owner "gave" the slave a wife, the owner could keep the wife and any children as his property. Passages in Exodus state that female slaves who were sold into slavery by their fathers would be slaves forever. A corresponding passage in Exodus contradicts this; it required female slaves to be given their freedom after 6 years. One could purchase a slave from a foreign nation or from foreigners living with them. These slaves would remain in slavery forever, unless the owner chooses to frees them An Israelite who was a slave could be freed by a family member or by himself if he had the money. The cost of freeing a slave was computed on the basis of the number of years to the next Jubilee Year; this could be 1 to 50 years. Male Israelite slaves were automatically freed during the Jubilee Year. Depending upon which verse was being followed, female Israelite slaves might also have been freed at that time as well. Foreign slaves were out of luck. Exodus 21:1-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself." Deuteronomy 15:12-18: "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him." Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." (NIV) Leviticus 25:48-53: "After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him: Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself. And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubilee: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him." Restrictions on the Re-selling of Slaves: A slave was considered a piece of property, and thus could normally be resold to anyone at any time for any reason. However, special rules applied for Hebrew slaves. If a person bought a female slave from her father and she displeased him, he had no right to sell her to a foreign owner. If the owner required her to marry his son, then the owner was required to treat her like a daughter-in-law. If the owner marries his slave and later marries another woman, he was required to treat his slave as he previously had. If he violates any of these requirements, then she must be emancipated. But she would leave without any money or means of supporting herself; she would be free, but abandoned. Exodus 21:8: "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money." Sexual Activity with an Engaged Female Slave: A man who rapes or engages in consensual sex with a female slave who is engaged to be married to another man must sacrifice an animal in the temple in order to obtain God's forgiveness. The female slave would be whipped. There is apparently no punishment or ritual animal killing required if the female slave were not engaged; men could rape such slaves with impunity. Leviticus 19:20-22: "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him." I mean.. It's not like I'm going to a grocery store! Discounts on slaves! Yeah XD And all that stuff.. About the animals - the law of the nature is that stronger survives. Human kind became the strongest (animal) of them all, that's all. With no real(natural) enemies, we spread out and lived happily ever after :x |
Feb 20, 2010 1:22 PM
#99
It is said that one of the signs of the end of time is that the sun will rise from the West and sets in the East. Now how the hell can that happen? Will the orbit suddenly change by itself? Will the sun gain consciousness and decide to turn backwards for no valid reason? Btw do you guys know that Saturn is the only planet where it's orbital rings are turnin up and down and not left and right like the other planets (such as Jupiter). Scientists got all their telescopes and took many type of pictures of it (infrared blutooth with and without flash :P ) They discovered a HUUUGE hole at the bottom of the planet (which makes nearly HALF OF THE PANET) Inside the planet of course or else it would be only half a planet :P. That was an impact between Saturn and most likely another planet o_0! It completly shifted the planet!! So a planet can shift without completly exploding star wars style... (source: some documentary on Nat Geo Channel) So religion mentions a CATASTROPHIc event, which becomes very plausible through proofs within our own Solar System... VERY FUCKIN INTERESTING :D :D ( Intel via documentation ;) ) Again that is just a very plausible HYPOTHESIS! Am not saying that THIS EXACT EVENT will happen ^^ CONCLUSION: And to finish off, i've heard from serious that at the times of the prophets we were nothing like we are now. By that i mean not between 1m50 and 2m20. WE WERE HUUGE! Isn't is said that Adam was in Africa and Eve was around Asia? If they were how we are now then WTF!! But sources mention that one step of Adam was worth 50m... For him Mountains weren't what theya re for us that's for sure. AGAIN AGAIN AND AGAIN stop asking about fossils, dinos and homo whatever! I said it after every single past coment on that matter, THAT I DO NOT KNOW. Ask something i know plz :P |
Feb 20, 2010 1:25 PM
#100
_gRim_ said: Kaysabb said: It didn't say you can have a slave :P It was said how to act with them as we humans were enslaving people constantly in the past. You don't HAVE TO obey, it's your choice. That is one of the reasons for our conscious. That something only WE can do... and animals cant BOB It actually did, Kaysabb.. Here's what I mean. What the Old Testament says about slavery: Emancipation of Slaves: Slaves in ancient Israel were automatically emancipated after 6 years of slavery, but only if they were Jewish. However, if the slave owner "gave" the slave a wife, the owner could keep the wife and any children as his property. Passages in Exodus state that female slaves who were sold into slavery by their fathers would be slaves forever. A corresponding passage in Exodus contradicts this; it required female slaves to be given their freedom after 6 years. One could purchase a slave from a foreign nation or from foreigners living with them. These slaves would remain in slavery forever, unless the owner chooses to frees them An Israelite who was a slave could be freed by a family member or by himself if he had the money. The cost of freeing a slave was computed on the basis of the number of years to the next Jubilee Year; this could be 1 to 50 years. Male Israelite slaves were automatically freed during the Jubilee Year. Depending upon which verse was being followed, female Israelite slaves might also have been freed at that time as well. Foreign slaves were out of luck. Exodus 21:1-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself." Deuteronomy 15:12-18: "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him." Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly." (NIV) Leviticus 25:48-53: "After that he is sold he may be redeemed again; one of his brethren may redeem him: Either his uncle, or his uncle's son, may redeem him, or any that is nigh of kin unto him of his family may redeem him; or if he be able, he may redeem himself. And he shall reckon with him that bought him from the year that he was sold to him unto the year of jubilee: and the price of his sale shall be according unto the number of years, according to the time of an hired servant shall it be with him." Restrictions on the Re-selling of Slaves: A slave was considered a piece of property, and thus could normally be resold to anyone at any time for any reason. However, special rules applied for Hebrew slaves. If a person bought a female slave from her father and she displeased him, he had no right to sell her to a foreign owner. If the owner required her to marry his son, then the owner was required to treat her like a daughter-in-law. If the owner marries his slave and later marries another woman, he was required to treat his slave as he previously had. If he violates any of these requirements, then she must be emancipated. But she would leave without any money or means of supporting herself; she would be free, but abandoned. Exodus 21:8: "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money." Sexual Activity with an Engaged Female Slave: A man who rapes or engages in consensual sex with a female slave who is engaged to be married to another man must sacrifice an animal in the temple in order to obtain God's forgiveness. The female slave would be whipped. There is apparently no punishment or ritual animal killing required if the female slave were not engaged; men could rape such slaves with impunity. Leviticus 19:20-22: "And whosoever lieth carnally with a woman, that is a bondmaid, betrothed to an husband, and not at all redeemed, nor freedom given her; she shall be scourged; they shall not be put to death, because she was not free. And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the LORD, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the LORD for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him." I mean.. It's not like I'm going to a grocery store! Discounts on slaves! Yeah XD And all that stuff.. About the animals - the law of the nature is that stronger survives. Human kind became the strongest (animal) of them all, that's all. With no real(natural) enemies, we spread out and lived happily ever after :x Wow grim, u sure did write a lot. A question, do u know that the initial Bible (both New and Old Testament) has been modified lots of times since then? A pope added a thing, a king erased another thing, someone important modified a little thing here and there and thus we have a Bible very different then the first one. |
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