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I think part of Elenas reasoning is that Katsumi is a surrogate daughter to Elena.
Oh yeah, I too tell my surrogate daughter to give an inmate a blowjob in a limo. :LOL:

On a more serious note, Kitty was a program participant, so was Kiyomi (I assume they god drafted together). I doubt they were children, probably late teens. Which would leave only a few years for them to develop their relationships with Elena/Veronica respectively. IDK, I don't see the surrogate daughter thing. A servant - sure, but nothing more.
 
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Oh yeah, I too tell my surrogate daughter to give an inmate a blowjob in a limo
Wait...whut? You don't? weirdo....
so was Kiyomi (I assume they god drafted together). I doubt they were children, probably late teens. Which would leave only a few years for them to develop their relationships with Elena/Veronica respectively.
Wait whut? Kiyomi too? Have I missed something...and if so...must have been a long ass time ago. Kiyomi didn't suddenly become head of the vipers that quickly...given remember, at that blowjob scene, Kitty must have only just been promoted...or was later that same day (given she mentions it when we leave prison).

So there's a time imbalance there unless there's a big age difference between the sisters and when they were in the program. Given Kitty's meteoric and rapid rise...she can't have been in the program for very long can she? That has to be very recent history for her?
 

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Oh yeah, I too tell my surrogate daughter to give an inmate a blowjob in a limo. :LOL:

On a more serious note, Kitty was a program participant, so was Kiyomi (I assume they god drafted together). I doubt they were children, probably late teens. Which would leave only a few years for them to develop their relationships with Elena/Veronica respectively. IDK, I don't see the surrogate daughter thing. A servant - sure, but nothing more.
The woman who twice encouraged her daughter to get her pussy eaten in front of her is probably not about sexual boundaries. If Kitty was the same age as Olivia, it would explain Elena taking on such a role even if Kitty was in her teens at the time she was found.
 
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The woman who twice encouraged her daughter to get her pussy eaten in front of her is probably not about sexual boundaries.
I knew that would come up. Kitty is there to serve Kane (blowjob), while Olivia's situation is vastly different - it's about pleasure. There's no way in hell Elena would tell her daughter to do a bj in a limo, because that's what servants are there for.
 
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I knew that would come up. Kitty is there to serve Kane (blowjob), while Olivia's situation is vastly different - it's about pleasure. There's no way in hell Elena would tell her daughter to do a bj in a limo, because that's what servants are there for.
1. I would agree with that completely.
2. Not seeing it personally...but possible.
3. Definitely not...see my comment before on Kitty 'only just getting prmoted when you leave prison.

I don't think Kiyomi ever was in the program...but again, certainly possible. She could be like a GoodDom Kane...only progressed because of her intellect, skill and reasoning. As we know, you don't need to be a sadistic ass to progress...however, we are a special case.

Yes, it does make one wonder...how and why Kitty got 'drafted'...especially if Kiyomi was already a high rank staff member/Viper and how/why Kiyomi did not interfere or at least speak up about it...agree there does not seem to be any logic in that theory.

It's certainly plausible Ss I'll give you that...but doesn't really add up for me. it may end up being one of a number things we discuss that is never brought up because Tess just didn't think it was important enough to flesh out lol. who knows lol...but given they are sisters, would be nice for some back story.


Like...why is Kitty so adamant in getting Seth to pick Kiyomi when he can? I mean...that particular little story never actually goes anywhere. I also get the impression that (for whatever reason), Kiyomi is not all that 'sisterly' with her sister...like, she seems at times, very nonchalant about it...almost as if...would make no difference to her if they were related or not.

There has to be something more there I think between the two of them.

I knew that would come up. Kitty is there to serve Kane (blowjob), while Olivia's situation is vastly different - it's about pleasure. There's no way in hell she would tell her daughter to do a bj in a limo, because that's what servants are there for.
Servant being the key word here. For me, at that point, Kitty was not a Z rank. Kiyomi is head of the vipers, agree older...and obviously been around a while. Kitty was still effectively a prisoner in the limo to me...was only after that she was promoted. 2 days later as we leave prison...she states, just had a big promotion myself etc etc...

There has to be a timeline diff between her and Kiyomi (assuming they were both in the program at some point)....maybe years apart even? But that brings us around back to the earlier point...why would Kiyomi allow 1. Kitty's participation, and 2. Allow her sister to get into such a situation in the first place to become part of the program?
 
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Hi! What is Princess Eye perk? or what is mean? do i need this at all? is there any FAQ about KG?
Many times the princesseyes points are decided by Kane....however, they are NOT a Kane variable...they are actually an Olivia variable in how she views you as a potential romantic partner (which is why in my save sheet, those points are under her name and not Kane's). If you do not care about romancing Olivia, then you do not need them.

And before you ask, SisBro is for how aligned you are with each other in terms of loyalty. SisTeam is how much you are on her side when it comes to plans.
"PrincessEyes" can be seen as "compatibility" points on the morality spectrum: Kane making choices in [dis]alignment with Olivia's moral compass. So if Kane chooses good in front of GoodOlivia, or evil in front of EvilOlivia, then "PrincessEyes" increases, while decreasing if Kane chooses opposite Olivia's alignment. ... So know your "sister".
 
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There's no way in hell Elena would tell her daughter to do a bj in a limo, because that's what servants are there for.
Now you make me question the difference between servants and slaves. I thought the limo scene would be forced on a slave (the sexual parts) and that a servant was like a butler who serves you drinks or acts as a chauffeur... don't know o_O.
 
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Now you make me question the difference between servants and slaves. I thought the limo scene would be forced on a slave (the sexual parts) and that a servant was like a butler who serves you drinks or acts as a chauffeur... don't know o_O.
Well, I see it like that: slaves are literal trash (expendable, worthless, easy to replace) while servants should be reminded on occasion that they are expendable as well (to keep them motivated), but they have value and therefore shouldn't be discarded without reason. It takes time and effort to train a new one after all. But both are beneath you.
 

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Now you make me question the difference between servants and slaves. I thought the limo scene would be forced on a slave (the sexual parts) and that a servant was like a butler who serves you drinks or acts as a chauffeur... don't know o_O.
In the world of KG....servants are one step above slaves. They are paid...have an actual job (even if that job is the lowest of the low). They still do whatever they are told and basically have no rights. They are still 'owned' by whoever is their master. (A perfect case of this is on the Dom path if you hit K9). You are 'gifted' a servant (Svetlana, from new Paris)...she is now your property. So she has no say in her life, her old owner gave her to you (or was told to by a Karlsson sister...but you get what I'm saying)..

In reality, other than being treated a little better with a little autonomy..and a small wage....there is not much difference.

Damn Sharpshooter890 you were quick replying lmao!
 
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Now you make me question the difference between servants and slaves. I thought the limo scene would be forced on a slave (the sexual parts) and that a servant was like a butler who serves you drinks or acts as a chauffeur... don't know o_O.
Considering what Cassandra and Katsumi in Ep. 8 can be made to do, the standing rule is that a superior can make a lower rank do whatever they want, as long as it's within the superior's rank authority. Slaves have no freedom, and must be constantly ready to service every sexual vice, while staff/servants have some self-liberty and autonomy, with their sexual servicing being the exception rather than the norm.
 
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(A perfect case of this is on the Dom path if you hit K9). You are 'gifted' a servant (Svetlana, from new Paris)...she is now your property. So she has no say in her life, her old owner gave her to you (or was told to by a Karlsson sister...but you get what I'm saying).
Stop it... I got hard stuck on K8, but I'm going to go up in the second season :KEK:.
 

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I know Tess stays up late (was almost 3am when she replied to my questions I had for her) but I don't think it's coming today/tonight Don :(
I know... but hope is the last thing you lose they say... :(.
I´m going to sleep now, dreaming with Olivia and hoping tomorrow in the morning we can play :LOL::D
 

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I know... but hope is the last thing you lose they say... :(.
I´m going to sleep now, dreaming with Olivia and hoping tomorrow in the morning we can play :LOL::D
D&D night for myself so will be up for another few hours....so fingers crossed, but even if does appear I won't have time until tomorrow afternoon.

Night mate.
 
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D&D night for myself so will be up for another few hours....so fingers crossed, but even if does appear I won't have time until tomorrow afternoon.

Night mate.
So you like D&D? What class you have now? Did you play Baldur´s Gate 3?
Just Curious :LOL: , i don´t know many people who like D&D.
 
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