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Drone3 said: The animation was terrible, however the story of the episode was awesome. Hated the laser part and whole Tom and Jerry "catch me if you can" stuff, but because of the story and the ending I give it 3/5. Perfect summary of what i think Let's just hope for the normal animation next week. |
| i mean, ive already read the manga... so i know what would happen etc, but this animation... is so bad.... oh man but the ending was pretty cool... meaning when the music starts, when yamoto says "eight...this is bad" blabla :D |
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Psychodrake20 said: People who hated on this episode not only have awful taste but they also don't know anything about animation, so deal with it. You may claim you aren't fond of the artstyle, which i can understand somewhat, but saying the animation was crap is just pure stupidity. This episode is on par with the usual Gurren Lagann animation and that's a huge feat in itself. Next episode will go back to the usual mediocre artstyle with the usual shitty animation you're all so used to. So I guess some of you ignorant people will be satisfied. so animation in which bones, metal and skin are treated as if they were gummi and can be readjusted and put back into position at will without any casulties are awesome animations? as this pic clearly shows... sure its animated but its not good animated. if it were only half good animated the skin surely would be affected but at the least the bones and the metal bars which were near impossible to break in the previous episodes would keep their shape even at higher speed. what we saw was mashing a potatoe to make a "speed effect", forming it again into a ball and treating it as if nothing happened and that repeadetly. i wont say it was bad or horrible animated but the surrealismus of this episode compared to the other episodes of naruto was of the scale. sure one can like it, but this seemed to be more appealing to the likes of people that also like flubber and modern art in the points of animation and drawing style. ---- after edit ---- also note that as in 1 of my earlier posts mentioned there are also some good ones. at 6.18-6.20 there is also a deformation but there its reasonable. there is no deformation of the skull or metal-pins (well pins at the very end if i were nitpicking) its reasonable from the heavy airpressure...its awesome. |
RuyiweiJul 2, 2010 5:27 AM
| Well this was a strange episode. The animation was totally messed up, it reminded me of TTGL or FLCL with some of the facial expressions Pain made. I definitely preferred Naruto fighting in Sage mode where it was tactical and refreshing instead of the mindless destruction of the Nine-tails. |
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| THAT'S HOW YOU STRETCH AN EPISODE! If you have to put fillers in a fight you do it like THIS! Pretty much like they did with the fight with Hidan and Kakuzu. Lol at the people complaining about the animation, too bad for you, you don't get it much more fluid than this. You've had it before in Sarutobi Vs. Orochimaru and Naruto Vs. Sasuke. It looks like it will return to the former "pretty" style next episode though... shame really. Great episode, superb fight, best fight scene from this arc with no doubt, if Naruto was always like this it would be so much better. I liked the twist in the end even though I'm already spoiled, I just hope they can end the arc in a good note. |
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-Voltekka- said: That's the problem i have with it. I could forgive the bad art style if the fight made sense, which it didn't at all. By the time the filler fight is over Pain should be dead at least 20 times. This. To addition to that... There is "artstyle" (how things look like, the faces, background, strokes used to draw and the sole concept/idea of each anime/manga) and there is "animation" (how things move, fluency, pace and so on). The animation was superb, the style was uttelry terrible. I bet this was 100% on purpose (which I can't think of any logical explanation "why?"), not beacuse of the low budget. It is totally possible to make the exact same animation with normal artsyle. The grotesque style was unnessesary and ugly beyod imagination (it looked almost like the drug delusions from Samurai Champloo). It's also stupid to compare this fight to any other fight in the series cause it's the first and only one so screwed up. For example I absolutelly loved the Sasuke vs. Bee episode. It shows that both, good artstyle and animations are possible. Some people say they laughed their asses of on this ep. Well, this episode shoud NOT be funny and should NOT look like a Tom and Jerry cartoon. After the last episode I thought they will give us a hardcore, serious and solid episode (I was thinking "my god... Pain is so dead now"). And what did I get? "THIS". Apart of the TERRIBLE artstyle the filler part was one of the most stupid I've ever seen (which I did mention before, others did too). It's good when they stretch the fights for a longer episode, but it has to make SENSE. Immortal-cyborg-like Pain does not make any. Same goes to the flooding-Konoha part and many other things. For what purpose I ask? The truth is that the more anime sticks to the manga the better. It's common sense. And the people that say "omigosh! this was ze besd ep evah!" probably wouldn't mind if the characters took frying pans or circus hammers to smash each other. I bet they would also like a lightsaber fight :P. Overall, with normal artstyle, same animation and LOGICAL filler fight this episode would be one of the best ever. But... it's not. This is Naruto damn it. I watch it cause of what it is. If I would want to watch mind-screwing, grotesque animations created by people on shrooms I would watch Dead Leaves instead. |
BierzgalJul 2, 2010 6:43 AM
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| Animators goes crazy! But I loved it :D |
| lightness vs. darkness Nani mo kamo wo hoshigatteita Mayoeru mono no chikai Mada miru sekai o tsukuridasu koto Kuchi hateteiku |
| WTF? a good episode ruined |
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Psychodrake20 said: dr-o-ne said: Drone3 said: The animation was terrible, however the story of the episode was awesome. Hated the laser part and whole Tom and Jerry "catch me if you can" stuff, but because of the story and the ending I give it 3/5. Perfect summary of what i think Let's just hope for the normal animation next week. People who hated on this episode not only have awful taste but they also don't know anything about animation, so deal with it. You may claim you aren't fond of the artstyle, which i can understand somewhat, but saying the animation was crap is just pure stupidity. This episode is on par with the usual Gurren Lagann animation and that's a huge feat in itself. Next episode will go back to the usual mediocre artstyle with the usual shitty animation you're all so used to. So I guess some of you ignorant people will be satisfied. What are you on!? Gurren Lagann's animation was nothing like this! You've seen the screens from above, and here's a screen from Gurren Lagann. Gurren Lagann had a "different" animation style, and it was good, they actually made it work. This episode; it was lazy and stupefying, the animators did nil to even attempt to make the animation "nice".  Bear in mind this is also sd quality while your Naruto was high definition.  And here you see that movement doesn't completely change that anatomical structure. Seriously, this week's Naruto looked like something you'd see from Looney Tunes on a Saturday morning or the such. |
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| I haven't watched Naruto for quite a while, but my friend was complaining about it, so I watched this episode. The animation in it was not bad. The problem with the strange faces was that there either weren't enough 'normal' keyframes while the strange ones were there, or the framerate wasn't fast enough for it to look okay to the viewer. That kinda style makes animation look much smoother, but without the other elements needed to make it look good, it seems strange, which is what you're all complaining about. To create smooth action without using inbetween frames like those, you need a huge budget so you can have a large number of frames/second, which I doubt Naruto has. Creating action on a long running shounen budget without using frames like that just looks stiff and awkward. |
| If any of my posts seem odd, it's probably because I'm tired. Sorry. I have sleeping issues. |
| was the animation bad ? no was the epi bad ? no , it was a very good epi such art style shouldnt be used ? no , im fine with such art style but it could had been better but it doesnt suit's Pain at all i felt his character got destryoed ! with this fight :\ Gurren lagann had a better art style but the main thing was it suited the charar same applies for south park |
Psychodrake20 said: Obviously ,No one watch the show pausing every 5 second.....Read the whole post, kid. People's main gripe about this episode was it's style and art, which is understandable. If you pause between the ANIMATION, the ART looks completely wacky. But the animation itself was fine and a matter of fact superb at that. If the Animation is lousy from the beginning till the End, then I will say Naruto's ART is special and it would be appreciated if we get used to it,but this particular episode's Animation was really bad...... To create smooth action without using inbetween frames like those, you need a huge budget so you can have a large number of frames/second, which I doubt Naruto has. Creating action on a long running shounen budget without using frames like that just looks stiff and awkward. As what he said, Low budget is just low budget. Sudden Low budget on Animation is not a form of art... |
MorningGloryJul 2, 2010 9:51 AM
| EPIC!!!!! Ladies and gentleman, I present you the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann version of NARUTO! 1. Notice the weird faces portion, it had the distinctive rough linings in Gurren Lagann 2. Pain's eye looks too much like the Spiral King and eventually Simmons no? 3. During Naruto's necklace activating the sealing jutsu, there were SPIRALS and they were "green"!! Go SPIRAL ENERGY!! 4. The explosion would not look out of place in a Gurren Lagann setting. 5. Nice fluidity in the actions, WIN! 6. The Kyubi form did give off a flaming aura in a similar fashion to the Spiral KING. 7. Over the top ridiculous action like all Gurren Lagann moves!!!! 8. Spiral again on Naruto's stomach spinning 9. Was expecting a gettai! SPIN ON!!!! On a more serious note, yup looked pretty weird and comical logic does not sit well. It Changed a lot of the original content but its fine for me. But you gotta agree that the fluidity and action sequence in this episode is once in a blue moon. The amazing movements and fight scene easily made me forget about the wonky faces. 5/5 |
| Epic episode. |
Psychodrake20 said: This episode of Naruto to Naruto fans is like an orchestra playing mozart on Mtv. It's more like playing an episode of Animaniacs to people expecting a climactic battle in their shonen anime. Sure, the artsyle is forgivable, but Naruto playing whack-a-mole with Pain, Naruto punching Pain while in that form without him really being affected by it (remember Jirayas scar?), the explosive lasers (and explosions in general) and the ground surfing... Just no... |
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Psychodrake20 said: Again, that's not animation. Showing me a still picture or frame is NOT animation. It's ART. Maybe if you showed me a .gif of how fluidly characters move or something, maybe we could talk. Learn the difference people, it could save your life. First of all, still frames do count. If you look back, there were plenty of still frames taken of the show. They were shit! You could easily see the difference between Gurren Lagann's quality and Naruto's. The producers just plain out didn't care this episode. Anyways, to appease your heart, here are your gif's. Haha   Obvious quality difference is obvious... |
lucjanJul 2, 2010 11:43 AM
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 (c) Velrok |
smokesJul 2, 2010 12:01 PM
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smokes said: Wonder if the animators were able to keep a straight face when they made all the frames for that moment... |
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| Smokes pretty much owned the topic ;p. |
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smokes said: (c) Velrok totdeauna, fii de acord..daca erau sa puna doar ceea ce era inclus in manga..lupta cu 6-tails era sa dureze vreo 7 minute.. asa cum au facut e cu mult mai bine..la urma urmei animatia nu e asa de rea..e doar mai dinamica..la fel au folosit cind a fost naruto vs. sasuke, sarutobi vs. orochimaru... chiar in acelasi one piece am observat felul asta de animatie pe care il socot foarte reusit..de ex. inceputul luptei luffy vs. lucci si atunci cin luffy ii trage un pumn lui tenryubito.. Serios, vrei sa zici ca nu te-a impresionat episodul ? Eu jumate de episod am stat in picioare..vroiam s-ma pis, dar nu vroiam sa stric kaiful :D |
| LOL, Epic FAIL... Shit animation and filler.. If they stick with that shit animation i'm going to drop for sure.. -5/5 |
RedoaxeJul 2, 2010 12:50 PM
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| Very cool episode. Art was kinda weird though .d but still cool. |
| That was absolutely horrifying. At first I thought I downloaded a wrong file and that it was some sort of fan art thingy, but damn! Usually I don't mind, or don't even notice, animation or art changes, but this was terrible. It looked like some cheap kids cartoon. The weird faces, the backgrounds, those rocks that kept flying up, breaking... it all looked so..unreal. 1/5. Which is an absolute shame, because this episode deserves much better with the entrance of the 4th. |
CiranJul 2, 2010 2:01 PM
| the story starts getting DBZ after this anyway |
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smokes said: (c) Velrok Picture 3: "My pain is far greater than yours!". He´s obviously speaking to the other two Pains, lol. |
| Minato~~ <3_<3 Loved the animation, loved the music, loved the ending!! What a great episode, so awesome. I want moar!! |
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Kembula said: ROFLMFAOWAFFLE.Picture 3: "My pain is far greater than yours!". He´s obviously speaking to the other two Pains, lol. |
| That was some weird-ass animation. But strange animation aside, the episode was epic. I have tears in my eyes. Minatoooooo! <3 |
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| The animation was weird in this one, there was too much filler scenes and Pein's face expreesions were pretty funny. But I gotta say, I went total fangirl when Minato appeared and I like how the ending was so dramtic. |
| lols the ep was great, LOLed at Pains face too |
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| Okay, I agree that the animation was weird for the most part, but at least it was fluid. Although, I must admit they could have at least made Pain's faces look somewhat more normal. -.- I honestly was laughing most of the episode. |
| Ah was so close to see the kyuubi 9th tail. Animation seemed different in this this one ( not that its bad though ) lots of moving blocks and pain seemed like that rubber band dude from fantastic 4 hehe. Anyway great ep cant wait till next week. |
| They definitely went in the wrong direction with the animation in this episode. It diminished the seriousness of Pains character and at times made him look comical. A lake appearing out of nowhere, and yet, Hinata doesn't get engulfed in it is hard to believe. I think they just tried too hard and in the end went away from the fans of Naruto were expecting to see. |
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Ssjbryando said: Bierzgal said: Didin't like the new style. It's like it was made by the creators of FLCL. Very grotesque and not-Narutoish. The filler part of the fight was also too much overboard. Dude, thats a good thing. FLCL Is amazzzzzinnnng. I guess some people like the style, some don't. I still really like the ep overall, and I actually enjoyed the animation. But yea it was a bit to weird and unattractive at times. But id rather have this, than the regular animated eps tbh. One of my fav eps in a while. I was hoping that Sasuke vs Itachi was gonna be the best ep since it was so huge, but sadly the animation in that was terrible : That's the problem man. People who were waiting for this episode for more than a year (like me) did not want something like FLCL, they wanted something like Naruto. |
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