Tasokare Hotel Episode 11 Discussion

So what happens when someone who's still alive gets killed in the hotel, will Oosoto get sent back or is he just braindead now?

Osoto wanted to kill and consume Atori partly out of envy, but Tsukahara damned him out of naivete (some would say stupidity, but they really aren't synonymous or interchangeable here - there is too much context missing as to the motives of the permanent hotel staff and the true purpose of this mysterious cosmic entity of the hotel itself and this whole intermediate waystation dimensional plane for the guests to really be in a position to ascertain everything possibly going on here and why - and Tsukahara, at the end of the day, is still a glorified guest despite her temporary duties).

Before this episode I had assumed kidnapping, assault, sexual assault/rape, torture, and murder had been on Osoto's list both of past deeds and aspirationally, but I never suspected cannibalism. Now retroactively I'm going to be viewing him though a "Hannibal Lecter"-esque lens. Especially with how polite and proper he otherwise usually is in his day-to-day mannerisms, his well-dressed and upper class mentality and persona, and refined tastes for the finer things in life (and not in a strictly gustatory sense). And because that brief scene imagining Atori captive and likely unconscious or sedated before being dined on brought to mind the scene in the subpar The Silence of the Lambs sequel with Julianne Moore (Hannibal) involving feeding the restrained thug pieces of his own brain.

In spite of it all I still have to say I see him and Tsukahara as quite a beautiful, one of a kind, otherworldly "power couple" and ship it, if one of them didn't kill the other first.

Now in the wake of the hectic and momentous events of the closing few minutes of the episode, there wasn't any time and space for proper follow up to the condition of Osoto's body, but I'm wondering now if he will just simply disintegrate and drift away in the air into nothingness as that other kendo club girl student did or had some out or preparation to re-emerge somehow in the event of something like this happening. If someone is indeed alive on Earth or in "the living world", as they call it, then I don't really understand how any fate they meet in the hotel world can change that and alter the state of their original physical body back wherever it was left, unless it induces death which to third party observers back with it looks like some "natural" medical cause or mimicking it.

Well, it's decisions like that in the writing which portray a nuanced enough understanding of the human condition that aided in placing this series on the fast track to becoming my show of the season. Because in reality, everything happens for a reason. There is a reason behind everything a person does, whether it comes down to brain chemistry and neurological wiring, psychological trauma and a cycle of abuse as part of the formative experience of one's youth, or anything else. And a person who routinely engages in brutal and cruel acts can also have moments of charm, beauty, and grace, or where their innate talents and insights of their perspective assists the journey of others. And vice versa - a normally kind and selfless person can really have instances of one or more quite ugly or ruthless actions which damage or destroy others' lives. But for most it's easier to categorize and place people into airtight boxes, ignoring their own plight and suffering/hardships they've endured, as well as points of decency. And that Tsukahara was able to look at and take in the whole of him and not flinch or shy away in fright or discomfort was quite a touching thing.

I think it's quite possible to all at once dislike Osoto's crimes, dislike his parents' treatment of him, and at the same time inhabit the Tsukahara position of not really caring about any of it apart from intellectual curiosity as long as none of it directly affects you or the limited number of people/things you actually care about. Lovely refreshingly honest mindset and perspective from a character and I haven't felt a closer sense of identification with and affinity to one from a new seasonal series in a good long while (now that's an interesting thought exercise and task for tonight - maybe later I'll have to go back and comb through all the series I've watched within the past year to see if there was any character I related to harder).

Now I wish there could be some other outcome or world they could both share together, eternally teasing and testing their opposite number, bringing out the best and sometimes the worst in the other.

Idk y’all. Atori DID NOT shoot/kill Osoto, he literally shot himself. I’m already fed up with every anime and other media in general taking the “Batman moral stance” like it’s never ok to kill anyone for any reason. Literally it is fully morally permissible to kill the Joker, you kill innocent people by not killing him. 2 innocent people from the hotel were sent to hell by Osoto and one other ceased to exist, and countless people were killed by him (and worse) while he was alive. It is morally righteous to kill him/send him to hell (which apparently the manager has the ability to do?) or even to torture him, there is literally no fate too bad for someone as deeply despicable as him. I’m annoyed that the anime still wants us to think it’s wrong to want him dead/sent to hell.

What a clownshow this episode was.


That's not the point (not really). The rules, fair or not, just don't work - they are just constantly bend or outright ignored. The other most blatant case was the school girls episode. Sure, the author could still try to pathetically twist their way out of it with "yea, it was heavily implied (as in: explicitly stated) that it'd work like that, but actually it works completely different, HAHA!"

Umm... Can anyone explain Oosoto's logic to me? Am I missing something? Oosoto has been planning to eat Atori. However, wouldn't eating Atori also mean Atori would be killed in the process? Oosoto is still going to hell if he succeeds... I don't really get the logic here...

I love the way they added the scene of Osoto's child self appearing in the confrontation for a brief second, before Neko blinks and he's back to his current self.

The way they wordlessly show how Osoto's still stuck in the mindset of a child who loves his parents regardless of how they treated him, and how Neko sees that child in his current self is so good.

I think a lot about how the story never tries to justify Osoto but it allows you to understand him. To understand isn't to forgive. It never stopped portraying him as a horrible, irredeemable person. In fact, it doesn't hold back on making him worse and showing just how deranged he is. You just also learn that he was a neglected kid and a mess of an adult stuck with childish, illogical fantasies, and those two things coexist.

Also, the way Osoto stares at Neko in shock after she suggests killing his parents to solve his problems is funny. You can't just say that to people, Neko.

Btw, I think it should be clear that Neko only wants Osoto to go to hell for killing Atori. It's not because he's a bad person or his previous victims. It's only because of him attacking her and Atori (as she said before — as long as she and people important to her aren't harmed).

WTF is this episode? It's so great!

Masaki is dead at the cost of Atori's soul. I would have loved the idea of Masaki as the villain all through the end, but the monkey looks like the final boss.

@DarttheLegend I don't think that's the point. Even Neko herself doesn't hesitate to send him to hell in the game, she merely questions whether the gun she's holding would actually do that or if it was a trap set by Kiriko. Which is a wise decision, because otherwise she would end up in hell for shooting him.

The rules of the hotel aren't meant to be fair, and Atori's death is meant to feel as the most unfair of it all. He doesn't deserve it. Osoto deserves it. This isn't a punishment for Neko wanting to "kill" Osoto. It's the consequences of her actions for not warning Atori because she was too invested in her and Osoto's little game.

Part of the unfairness of it is that Neko had the intent to kill, while Atori didn't, and yet he faces the consequences, which is why she feels guilty for it.

@tsukaharaneko Maybe I missed that part but I wish they had showed an inner monologue about if the gun was a trap or not cos this confrontation literally happened a few minutes after having the conversation with the master. It would've hit hard when Atori goes to hell after accidentally shooting Osoto.
Anyways I just took it that she was blinded by the hate which still works.

@tsukaharaneko Is there more stuff that's evil about Masaki but not explored in the anime? That is my impression from tweets about him, referring to the game character, before the anime was released.

I'll play the game after the anime ends.