Talk:Jhoanna

Requested move 31 July 2024

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved.The prev. undiscussed move is reverted.The current request stands subsequently rejected.No policy-based retionale/explanation for making the film the primary target.(non-admin closure)

Jhoanna is automatically a singer.

Kuya Montano (talk) 03:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. This request is malformed. HueMan1 (talk) 04:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  This request is not malform. So Jhoanna is automatically a singer. So please change to Jhoanna without the word singer. Kuya Montano (talk) 05:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  If there are no other notable Jhoannas, this should be primary topic and should not he disambiguated. The question is if she is independently notable given that a great majority of the references are YouTube, from ABS-CBN (failing WP:RS), or primarily talks about Bini or the reality show (failing WP:GNG). If the situation doesn't improve in the next 24 hours, I'd be redirecting both to Bini, and if reverted, WP:AFD. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:24, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  As the creator of this article, I made the decision on the belief that she has the most independent activities and notability outside the group. For further clarification, the sources in the Bini section appeared to have been taken from the group article. There is an ongoing effort to find links independent of the home network sources and would appreciate if a longer window is accepted. Borgenland (talk) 11:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Move this to draft then if you need a longer window. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  If you don't mind, I would also like to notify interested editors AstrooKai, Royiswariii, Orojackson56 and Indo360 of this development as they are also heavily involved in similar articles. Borgenland (talk) 11:41, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Wait. If other Bini members have their own articles now and are at similar states, this is a problem. I remember the days when Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen had just one article amomg themselves for years as they didn't have independent coverages until they got legal (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 11:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Hello! Yes, I have noticed that similar individual articles of Bini members seemed to be a matter of WP:COPYWITHIN. While I try my best trying to resolve this by rewriting the contents of the articles so that they don't seem to be an entire copy paste from another article, I don't have the time to start since school season has begun. AstrooKai │ Talk 12:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  I made WP:BOLD removals of copied content from all 8. Indeed some of them are in danger of AFD but I stand by my gut feeling that some of them are notable enough at this stage. Request that such nominations be made on a case-by-case basis and not collectively. Borgenland (talk) 12:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  FWIW, I have no problems with copied content from mother articles; it's just that none of the Bini members are independently notable. Bini is undisputedly notable, but are the individual members are?

  I'd be reviewing each Bini member article. If the supposed professional activities are held in conjuction with other Bini members as a team, that's not really independently notable. I would highly suggest to move this first to draftspace as (1) this was done in haste, (2) most Wikipedians maintaining the article may be busy, (3) WP:SNOWBALL each is independently notable, (4) sources are wanting. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:17, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

  Since no one is responding to the request to move Jhoanna (singer) to Jhoanna, I will move it automatically. Thank you for understanding. Kuya Montano (talk) 00:01, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  Hello, I would like to ask for clarification. The result of this request was "not moved", but the article proceeded to be moved from Jhoanna (singer) to Jhoanna.

  Also, wouldn't it be better if it was named "Jhoanna Robles" as you suggested at User talk:Kuya Montano#July 2024 instead of just "Jhoanna"? AstrooKai (Talk • Contribs) 02:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  This is noted and thank you so much. Kuya Montano (talk) 02:36, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  Just reverted. The article was moved improperly. Furthermore, the absence of replies is not equivalent to consensus. Borgenland (talk) 07:56, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 16 January 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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Jhoanna (singer) → Jhoanna – I'm unsure why "(singer)" needs to be added to Jhoanna's name, as there is no disambiguation page for Jhoanna. Although, it is already redirect to Jhoanna i am not convinced to add a "(singer)" on Jhoanna. While there is a page for Joanna a given name and Joanna (disambiguation). Therefore, Jhoanna should be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and not a redirect. Royiswariii Talk! 15:45, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support now that the proponent is not a disreputable sock unlike the last time someone tried to move. Borgenland (talk) 02:54, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support I agree with the MOVE. There’s no need for "(singer)" since "Jhoanna" has no competing topics requiring disambiguation. The current title is unnecessary and overcomplicates things. Indo360 (talk) 06:39, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per above. AstrooKai (Talk) 11:41, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose move, redirect "Jhoanna" to "Joanna". "Jhoanna" is obviously an alternate spelling of "Joanna", of which it should redirect to. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:37, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Howard the Duck "Jhoanna" isn't her alternative spelling, it is the real name of Jhoanna[1][2]. It should be follow Jhoanna per WP:COMMONAME. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  The name spelled as "Jhoanna" is an alternate spelling of "Joanna". This person is not the only person with a name spelled this way. For alternate spellings of given names, it is redirected to the most common spelling of the name. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:37, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  In that case some sort of explanation may be needed given our propensity to recklessly insert the letter H into given names. Borgenland (talk) 12:40, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  To simplify, another alternate Filipino spelling is "Rhoel", of Roel. In that case. "Rhoel" is redirected to "Roel", then any "Rhoels" known by just that name is disambiguated. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  An identical case is Aiah which is an alternate spelling of Aya (given name). Howard the Duck (talk) 12:58, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  I believe that would be a bit far-fetched as her long name is Maraiah. Borgenland (talk) 13:13, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  But given the circumstances, wouldn't it be appropriate for this article to be moved to the "Jhoanna" namespace regardless if it is an alternative spelling? I mean, this article exists, and an article and disambiguator for Joanna also exist. A hatnote may resolve the issue with the fact that "Jhoanna" is an alternative spelling of "Joanna"? AstrooKai (Talk) 13:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Howard the Duck Even it's a alt name, it should be use "Jhoanna" per WP:COMMONAME Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred. Obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, ROY is WAR Talk! 13:22, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  In alternate spellings, "Jhoanna" is considered to be spelled as "Joanna". The Bini member is not the primary topic for Joannas of all alternate spelings. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:36, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  No. news outlets, fans and official materials from Bini consistently refer to her as "Jhoanna" and most commonly used in reliable sources. This demonstrates that "Jhoanna" is her widely recognized name in the world. While "Joanna" may be an alternative spelling, it is not the name predominantly associated with her in reliable sources. If this moved on Joanna it can be huge confusion and potentially mislead readers. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:21, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  She is being referred to as "Jhoanna".

  For Wikipedia purposes, Jhoanna, Joannah, Joanna, JoAnna, Jo Anna and the like are alternate spellings of "Joanna". This means as per as per WP:POFR, an alternate spelling is redirected to the spelling most frequently used. I suppose this proposal would work if this Jhoanna owns primary topic over all Joannas, how matter those are spelled. It isn't, so Jhoanna should redirect to Joanna. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:27, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Still, you're disregarding the fact that an article for a person named and spelled "Jhoanna" exists. If no other subject named and spelled "Jhoanna" exists on Wikipedia, "Jhoanna" can then be redirected to "Joanna". But since this one exists and the disambiguator is unnecessary, considering that it's the only "Jhoanna" article, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC applies and can be moved to the namespace without the disambiguator.

  A hatnote that redirects to similar names should be sufficient enough to address your issue. AstrooKai (Talk) 21:07, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  You are disregarding "Jhoanna" is an alternate spelling of "Joanna". This means the primary topic is determined among subjects named Joanna and its alternate spellings, and not just the specifically spelled Jhoannas. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:17, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Is there a policy or guideline that explicitly states that the primary topic is determined based on its alternative spellings? AstrooKai (Talk) 22:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  The relevant guideline is WP:POFR. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Bullet point #9. LOL there aren't even exceptions but as per WP:IAR, if this Jhoanna is the primary topic among all Joannas/Jo Annas/Jhoannas/Joannahs/Joanas/etc. then she may get Jhoanna all to herself. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  There'd be no confusion as this Jhoanna would be added to the Joanna article. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:10, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support. Since no other subject on Wikipedia spells their name "Jhoanna", a hatnote at the top of the article (like the one already in place) is sufficient. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 17:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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