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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. While AFD is not clean up, I do appreciate that gidonb took the time to improved the article during the course of the discussion. Mojo Hand (talk) 13:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Society for Navigation on Essequibo and adjacent Rivers

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This article has no lead section and only references one source. There are no inline citations and the majority of the article is unsourced. The prose is also unprofessional and unencylopedic. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 11:27, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a book and a book chapter. Both certainly independent of the subject, RS, SIGCOV, and right on topic. Response is in defiance of AFDISNOTCLEANUP and NEXIST. Per WP:NEXIST: Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. The bold is in the source so we will not miss it. gidonb (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a book chapter nor a book itself, where is your proof for that? If someone wrote a book about the subject it might be logical that this has the same title and also that I refer to it. If I write about the English EIC it might be logical that EIC is inside the title isn't it? Your remarks really make no sense at all. Johan Francke (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The name is inside the title. As I said, a book and a book chapter that are also in the bibliography list. gidonb (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a reference to four works and also the archival source is given. A lead section already has been added Johan Francke (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Many nominations fail AFDISNOTCLEANUP and SOFIXIT. gidonb (talk) 08:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The same article is published in a Dutch version, and there no single comment was given. It has also been published in another encyclopedic wiki site. Johan Francke (talk) 10:12, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In my view, the topic certainly is notable and should have an article on enwiki. What I am puzzled about is the copyright issue. As the author, @Johan Francke, pointed out, the text was published before. Here is the link. This original dutch text mentions the same Mr. Francke as the original author. The Encyclopedie van Zeeland, a project of the Zeeland Library and, if I am not mistaken, the Royal Zeeland Scientific Society, used to claim copyright. On the current site of the Encyclopedie van Zeeland there is no mention of the copyright issue. A cache version of the old text of the Algemeen Voorbehoud (general caveats) can still be found, however, in which ZB has the copyright on all texts. Mr Francke, who is employed at ZB and is project leader for the Encyclopedie van Zeeland wiki, surely is the right person to clarify the copyright issue. The fact that Mr. Francke now publishes his 2021 text on the english Wikipedia, does this mean that ZB has waived its copyright? If so, under which conditions? Is that policy change documented somewhere? Are all EZ texts now in public domain? Can we all copy Encyclopedie van Zeeland lemmata on nlwiki and enwiki? And what about the images, I understand they are from Zelandia illustrata. Is that public domain too? Finally, should our enwiki article not state somewhere that the text is translated from the dutch original at the Encyclopedie van Zeeland? Lots of questions. I hope Mr Francke has some good news for us and can provide evidence that ZB has waived copyright and all texts are in public domain, and that Zeeuws Archief has done the same regarding the images in Zelandia Illustrata. Looking forward to it!
Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 01:35, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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